NOTE: This topic includes all games of all kinds. You don't have to pick only computer games. Sports, board games, card games, and so on are all perfectly acceptable. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> Here are mine: Ass Betrayal At Krondor Chess DOOM (I & II)/Heretic/Hexen The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time Relentless: Twinsen's Adventure Return To Zork Scrabble Stonekeep WarCraft (all 3, but my favourite is II)

Mine: ANNO 1503,1602 Command & Conquer (Red Alert,Tiberian Sun,Renegade) Daggerfall DOOM (I & II), Heretic (I & II), Hexen(I & II) Dungeon Master HOMAM (1,2,3) Ishar (1,2,3) Magic of Gathering (card game) Might & Magic (1...7) Quest for Glory (1...5) Settlers (1,2) Talisman (board game) Unreal (1,2,UT,UT2k4) (UT1 is best <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> Worms+ Warcraft (I,II,III) (my favourite is III+TFT)

Super favorites are marked in Bold. Super Ghosts n' Goblins Gargoyle's Quest II Demon's Crest Quake Quake III Arena Unreal Unreal Tournament Doom2 Heretic Hexen Jedi Knight 2 Call of Duty One Must Fall 2097 Command & Conquer (Tiberian Dawn, the first) Amulets & Armor (best RPG evar) Jagged Alliance: Deadly Games Duke Nukem 3D Blood Out of this World Parodius Strife Star Control 2 Sacrifice Serious Sam: The Second Encounter MDK2 Worms World Party the list could go on!

Doom2/Hexen (Don't like Heretic) Excelsior 1-2 Sonic The Hedgehog (One game of that.. But can't remember the Name) Duke Nukem 3D Duke Nukem 2 Dark Forces The Small amount I've played of Quake And Quake 2 Even Chess <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> Quest For Glory 1-3 (2 Was my favorite) And maybe soon, Unreal Tournament and Quake3

[quote="CheapAlert":3pnw0wva]Super favorites are marked in Bold. Super Ghosts n' Goblins Gargoyle's Quest II Demon's Crest Quake Quake III Arena Unreal Unreal Tournament Doom2 Heretic Hexen Jedi Knight 2 Call of Duty One Must Fall 2097 Command & Conquer (Tiberian Dawn, the first) Amulets & Armor (best RPG evar) Jagged Alliance: Deadly Games Duke Nukem 3D Blood Out of this World Parodius Strife Star Control 2 Sacrifice Serious Sam: The Second Encounter MDK2 Worms World Party the list could go on! I said your favourites, not every game you've played. <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->

LOL I've played MUCH MUCH more than that <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> But seriously, those are all my favorites. You did have an (s) in the subject so why not?

LOL I've played dozens of games, let alone PC games, but I only put down my "Super favourites." <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

Hard list, there are so many games from childhood till now that I remember with pleasure... I would have to make a really heavy effort to collect every game's name that I trully enjoyed inside my old brain... I'll try anyway. For board games, I would say chess, and a RPG like called Hero Quest, which I played so much with my best friends when I was little. My favourite kind of game is surely the RPG genre, with medieval fantasy being by far my favourite "scenario". I don't read one in years, but back in the day, I was addicted to the Fighting Fantasy books. Later I discovered it was a phenomenon around many countries, but in Brazil they were really hard to find, and for me those were rare jewels. I still clearly remember the first one I read, City of Thieves, which had all I hoped for - lots of life, movement, interaction and adventures. The later books started loosing some of their power, but those first ones were really inspired. In the end, I had about 12 books, I gave away the ones I didn't like but kept and still browse sometimes the really good ones. But for a quick list: - Shadowrun (both the RPG game, and the Sega Genesis videogame - I really like it's dark and chaotic future scenario). - Flashback (Sega Genesis - really inspirred futuristic rpg game, wonderful work). - Vendetta (Arcade), Streets of Rage 2 (Sega Genesis) (I just loved side scrolling 'beat them up', specially when they were really interactive and creative). - Hexen, Heretic, Heretic 2 (this series brought me to pc gaming). - Prince of Persia (goo'ol memories). - Betrayal in Antara. - Dragon Lore 2 (I recognize it has many flaws, but like City of Thieves it has all that I really like about rpg - lots of interaction, life and feelings - it was not about slay monster, but take on a real role, live a fantasy life). I could say many more, but for now those are all I can remember. Living in Portugal and away from everyone I played those games with, a guy can get really sad by looking at the list... <!-- s:cry: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cry.gif" alt=":cry:" title="Crying or Very sad" /><!-- s:cry: -->

Wow, Heroquest is a board game I liked a lot too, my domestic animal still has it. <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> OK if I'm already typing this, I try to make a list, though I can't really put it together without thinking a lot more, so it'll surely be missing a lot of games: Board games: Heroquest, Axies & Allies Computer games: Civilization, Die Siedler, Heretic, Hexen, DOOM, Betrayal in Antara, Warcraft series, Unreal 1 & UT 1, Dark Forces, Outlaws, DSA trilogy... from this, all I still have is Heretic, Betrayal in Antara, Warcraft III (basically for multiplayer games with buddies so that we can play strategy), UT (though I haven't played it for years except for LAN with buddies), and Hexen (which I only have because of KH, I haven't played it in many years else). Outdoors games: There are many and they can be the most fun type in the end... I don't mean sports but chasing each other or hide & seek or circle games etc.

Wow! My list would need some pages to finish, so I'll try to resume it with the games that I like more (there are also a lot of consoles I have had and every one with it's own games). PC: Doom/Heretic/Hexen (of course <!-- s8) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt="8)" title="Cool" /><!-- s8) --> ). Age of Empires I & II (haven't played any one of the newest) Starcraft Diablo I/II Duke Nukem 1/2/3/3d Quake I & III (II really sucks) and more... (there are so much that I can't remember) CONSOLES: Gargoyles Quest I & II (GB & NES) Megaman's (all of them are nice, except those new RPG clones that suck) Mario games (all of them, I'm a Nintendo fan here) and more... (again, too much for me to remember)

[quote="The 4th Class":fx3nv52y]LOL I've played dozens of games, let alone PC games, but I only put down my "Super favourites." <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> How about I categorize them then! --Actshun - -----Doom2 (Can't resist the SSG. I'm on Zdaemon as well) -----Quake1 (BEST FPS EVER, I've been modding for it for almost a good 8 years now.) -----Quake3 (I do play this online every now and then, it's fast fun) -----Unreal Tournament (It's more immersive, but I don't prefer either of these arena games so they're both listed) -----Sam:SE (Think Total Carnage as an FPS.) ---WW2 -----Call of Duty (Even though it's a bit short, it still remains as the best WW2 shooter i've ever played. Makes MOHAA look like a pansy) ---Fantasy -----Heretic (FIRST FPS WITH GARGOYLES AND CHICKENS AND A 1337 FLAMETHROWER OMFG) -----Hexen (Classes = Variety. Variety = Fun.) ---Future -----Jedi Knight II (Though unfortunately, the online community became crap with killtrackers and such, so i've abandoned this one.) -----System Shock 2 (If you haven't played it, then play it, dammit.) -----Strife (this shooter's pretty cohesive and engaging, I love it) ---Horror -----Blood (Note htat I haven't completed Doom III yet) ---Humorous -----MDK2 ('nuff said) ---Strategy hybrid -----Sacrifice (Nothing like casting tornados and slaughtering manahoars.) -----Battlezone (This is great for LANs on the Pyramid map.) ---Platfoamer -----Gargoyle's Quest II (For obvious reasons) -----Demon's Crest (For obvious reasons) -----Out of this World (It's my first DOS platformer <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->) -----Super Ghosts n' Goblins (For obvious reasons) ---Shmup -----Parodius (Even though it's a little furry and wacky it's still very enjoyable no matter what platform it's on) -----Tyrian (Best DOS shmup ever) ---RPG -----Amulets & Armor (Doom engine + RPG + nice interface * multiplayer = good <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->) ---Fightz0r -----One Must Fall 2097 (For obvious reasons) -----SVC Chaos (For obvious reasons) --STRATAGEH - ---Realtime -----Command & Conquer (Tiberian Dawn, this game is just classic, I get a good fuzzy feeling when I play it) ---Tactical Squad-based -----Jagged Alliance: Deadly Games (Multiplayer, scenario editor, I'M IN) ---Turn-based Artillery -----Worms World Party (It's all the worms I ever need.) -----Scorched Earth (I even registered my 1.1 copy <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->) Oh forgot one more category --ARCAED - ----Blasteroids ----Ghosts n' Goblins ----SVC Chaos (hey wait i've mentioned that elsewhere) ----NARC ----Total Carnage ----Contra ----Marble Madness [quote="Firebrand":fx3nv52y]Quake I & III (II really sucks) Damn straight! SEQUELS THAT JUST SUCK - Blaster Master 2 (.....don't even get me started) - Quake 2 (Gameplay is screwed, shotguns are slow, rockets are slow, and this is all just to show off lighting and particles on video cards. Eye candy is not gameplay.) - Hexen 2 (It lacks depth and carnage.) - Super Mario Brothers 2 (Quite tedious, and rather repetitive) - Tomb Raider 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13...etc... ('nuff said) [quote="RambOrc":fx3nv52y]Outdoors games: There are many and they can be the most fun type in the end... I don't mean sports but chasing each other or hide & seek or circle games etc. What about everyone armed with supersoakers? If I ever seriously play outside on a hot day, it'd be that, though I would only want to play it in a place with plenty of obstacles. I don't prefer paintball or NERF, because nerf darts can get lost, and paintball is....paint. AND HURTS Besides.... I do Quake for my NERFing <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> [img:fx3nv52y]http://mods.moddb.com/images/mods/gallery/7021img.jpg[/img:fx3nv52y]

'tseems I'm the only one who liked Quake II's gameplay LOT better than Quake I's (shrugs).

No Rambo your not the only one, and I hated Q3. I'll possibly sort out a list tomorrow, I've just got back from a wedding and will want to sleep soon, school tomorrow and all that.

... Hmm. I liked the Quake2 Demo.. Though I've barely played Quake 1 Recently so I don't know how "bad" of sequal it was.

I've played Q1 and finished it. Q2 I have on N64, but I don't play it - rarely anyway, mostly just for multiplayer games. I don't have Q3.

I played Q1 back in '96/'97 only because it was "the" thing to play with the supposedly revolutionary new engine and all, and also because I was a DOOM/Heretic/Hexen fan (same reasons why I played Hexen II as well, another bad investment of frustrated time). I hated it from the beginning... because of this, I was largely uninterested in Q2 and tried it only a year or two after it came out and was surprised that it's a LOT better than Q1, it had a lot more of the old fast'n'furious FPS feeling of DOOM. I played it through completely maybe once or twice and partially a couple more times, and it was not that bad (the music helped a lot too, I hated Q1's ambience music while Q2 had good metal riffs here and there with a bit of techno, IMO the best kind of music for such an FPS). Then I got Q3 and I was amazed how much fun a Quake game can be, the graphics were great for that time (which can't be said from the first two Quakes) and bot AI for deathmatch was very good. We've played hours of nonstop team deathmatch with the domestic animal and each a team of bots, and it was a lot of fun. In the end UT proved to be a good fun for longer since I still have it and sold my Q3 ages ago, but still I got the least fun out of Q1 and the most ouf of Q3, pretty much the opposite of the majority out there from what I've read.

[color=cyan:ikq5y4q9]Hexen series, Duke Nukem 3d, Shadow Warrior, AvPGE and AvP2, Street Fighter series, Killer Instinct 1 and 2, King of Fighters, Capcom vs SNK2, Marvel vs Capcom2, Halo (Xbox version).[/color:ikq5y4q9]

Doom, Heretic, Hexen, Strife Quake Hitman Deus Ex Half-Life Command & Conquer (Original, Red Alert 1 & 2, Tiberium Sun) Desperados: Wanted Dead or Alive No-One Lives Forever Unreal Tournament

I've been playing Halo 2 for the XBOX for a few days now...it's better than the original! <!-- s8) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt="8)" title="Cool" /><!-- s8) --> ...

Playing Crusader: No Remorse on my p100. It only works on Pentiums and 486s in pure DOS (which i'm still lucky to have today <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->)

Right now i am totally dazed with Dungeon Keeper, old game though. Definetly a game everyone should try... in breef: strategy game (in which you can use a creature a make it fps) in which you are the bad guy and you have to built your dungeon and summon creatures to crush anyone who opposes you. The things that make this game awesome are things like getting the corpses of battle and let them rot un prison to return as a skeleton (or even a vampire), or torturing... well, anyone <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: --> Pitty bullfrog doesn?t exist anymore, the games i?ve played from it are really cool.

Bullfrog lives on as Lionhead now.

[quote="PePe QuiCoSE":ryr1ngb8]Right now i am totally dazed with Dungeon Keeper, old game though. Definetly a game everyone should try... in breef: strategy game (in which you can use a creature a make it fps) in which you are the bad guy and you have to built your dungeon and summon creatures to crush anyone who opposes you. The things that make this game awesome are things like getting the corpses of battle and let them rot un prison to return as a skeleton (or even a vampire), or torturing... well, anyone <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: --> Pitty bullfrog doesn?t exist anymore, the games i?ve played from it are really cool. LOL I have the Gold Edition, and it's really fun to barricade all your walls, train all your Dark Mistresses to max level, and just go out there and beat the Hell out of the enemy. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

Oh, i thought the only one from bullfrog in lionhead was Peter Molyneux... he, i am so used that when i speak of these games nobody ever heard from them that couldn't imagine you would had even played it <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->

Well I do, so HAH! <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->

DK is popular here in the USA, even I have it!

And I have never hear of it, LOL.

I've never heard of it... Then again I didn't have much time to hear about it. : <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

Guess EA/Bullfrog was a bit lazy on the localization back then, it sold best in the US and the UK. They had to make a sequel because of that <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> Shame not many heard of it, then again not many has played Crusader, Jagged Alliance: Deadly Games or even Demon's Crest for that matter (or most recently, Gore: Ultimate Soldier). Maybe Blizzard and it's WC2/SC overshone them <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> And that's why I love good abandonware, because it's not the crap shoved out for marketing. This game however I know nobody else has played <!-- s:!: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_exclaim.gif" alt=":!:" title="Exclamation" /><!-- s:!: -->

[quote="Stryker":20wabpl0]I've never heard of it... Then again I didn't have much time to hear about it. : <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> If you happen to see Dungeon Keeper on sale anywhere, get it, because I highly recommend that game! (I can't vouch for the sequel though, because I haven't yet played that) The expansion pack is LOTS of fun, and it comes with a map editor! <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: -->

Amulets & Armor: That's a quite interesting looking game, CheapAlert, what's the story on this one? Another Doom-based rpg game that didn't make it to see the light of sucess (somewhat like Strife)? There's also an awesome RPG that I like very much - Betrayal at Krondor. Check out this page - the game is officially abandonware (it was up till recently even downloadable from Sierra's site itself), and you can find a link for the full version on there: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.hi.is/~eybjorn/krondor/krondor.html">http://www.hi.is/~eybjorn/krondor/krondor.html</a><!-- m --> <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

[quote="mago":1fpnf1er]Amulets & Armor: That's a quite interesting looking game, CheapAlert, what's the story on this one? Another Doom-based rpg game that didn't make it to see the light of sucess (somewhat like Strife)? There's also an awesome RPG that I like very much - Betrayal at Krondor. Check out this page - the game is officially abandonware (it was up till recently even downloadable from Sierra's site itself), and you can find a link for the full version on there: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.hi.is/~eybjorn/krondor/krondor.html">http://www.hi.is/~eybjorn/krondor/krondor.html</a><!-- m --> <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> Yesh. but Amulets & Armor is extremely obscure. It's hard to find others who have played it. (I.e. I found NO-ONE :O) I've completed BAK in 1994 <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> and started replaying it in 2002 though I only bothered to work up to Chapter 2 <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( --> really fun though.

I agree, Betrayal At Krondor is a very good game, in fact it's so good, I even put it in my favourites list! <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

Slayer on 3DO is what got me to liking the Medieval + Magical games like Hexen and Heretic. Then Duke Nukem and etc. <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

Occasionally found this topic. Well, I add a bit here... <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> (in the order of how I am remembering them) Ultima Underworld 2 (have seen 1st part as well but never played) Might&Magic: World of Xeen (4th + 5th) (uuuuh... nostalgie.. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> ) Doom/Heretic/Hexen/Strife - well, that's obvious. Quake/Q3 Doom3 as well (although it was too short IMO <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> ) Unreal Tournament Half-Life. Call of Duty 1,2 (except for extremely stupid first Stalingrad level from COD1 they copied from "Enemy at the Gates" movie) "Monkey Island" adventure series (the best classic-style adventure IMO I ever played) TES: Morrowind Baldur Gates 2 / Throne of Bhaal Civilization (all of them, they are different and each volume has its interesting features) GTA 3, VC, SA Warcraft series. Thief, Thief 3 (never seen Thief 2 though) TETЯIS <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> Captain Comic <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> Delta Force (vol.1) X-Wing / TIE Fighter Prince of Persia (old 2D ones and new ones in 3D) HOM&M 1-3. Carmageddon series. Fallout 1,2 Jagged Alliance vol. 2 (do not remember its full title, I have played it couple of years ago, and it wasn't mine CD, but I am thinking I buy one for myself if I manage to find it) UFO: Enemy Unknown, X-COM: Apocalypse. EDIT: Wizardry 8 (playing it now) Arcanum of Magick & Steamworks Obscura Roller Coaster Tycoon.

Most awesome shit ever..... <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> -All zelda games -original command & conquer for dos -strife -final fantasy tactics (advanced was good too) -drowned god -fable -morrowind -warcraft 1,2,3 (fuck world of warcraft) -twinsen's odyssey (wish I had a copy) -wipeout series (I hate racing games but these are awesome) -duke nukem 3d -the dig -neverhood -quake "1" -metroid series -golden sun -medievil -socom II -field commander(psp) and advanced wars(ds) -monster hunter freedom -diablo 1 (diablo 2 sucks balls) -heavy gear II -U.S. navy fighters (old as hell) -lord of the realms II -final fantasy VII

Dead or Alive 3... maybe even 4 if i'll ever get xbox 360... i'm not getting one unless i know i can mod it... i've already lost cd's to scratches and questionable stains of pb/j cause of my little brother, so not risking anything too expensive... but other than that, i play DoA 3 with my friend just about every time we can reach an xbox (mine or hers), and it adds up to... at least 10 hrs per week. and next week, when i'll see her again, we're gonna play it about 10 hrs a day until school starts, lol.

Good choices, tmc2i. <!-- s8) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt="8)" title="Cool" /><!-- s8) --> BTW, who here has played Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion? I want to know if it's any good and worth buying.

I was going to buy it when it would be officially distributed, but after I became too busy to check whether it is already available. Thanks for reminding. <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->

My brother started playing it but stopped pretty fast saying the gameplay is crap compared to Morrowind.

I know a man who sais Morrowind is total shit. After that I do not believe anyone until see a game myself. <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> But aren't there any downloadable demo? EDIT: Seems there isn't. At least official Oblivion site does not mention anything. But there's a downloadable version of TES: Arena <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> Just checked our distributor's website. Oblivion is available since end of june, good, but people, its costly <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> *sigh* Now when RambOrc mentioned... hmm.. maybe I'll spend some time reading gamers' forums for some info.

Found this poll on russian gaming forum: What is better - Morrowind or Oblivion? Answers: - Morrowind = 29 (44.62%) - Both are good = 16 (24.62%) - Oblivion = 8 (12.31%) - Both are bullshit = 7 (10.77%) - Cannot say = 5 (7.69%) total votes: 65 Usually people say Oblivion is much less atmospheric, also there are sayings about some stupid bugs in physics system like "thrown apple can destroy whole house". A quote: "Nobody sais Oblivion is bad. It is boring." OTOH ther'are sayings as well that it is common situation - fans of previous part usually cannot easily go for the next one. So the man whom I mentioned above was a Daggerfall fan and he didn't like Morrowind. Thus I fall in love for Thief, but didn't like Thief 3 that much. Possibly I'll try after all. Maybe this will give me some extra experience, to know what features may an RPG game have. Other sayings about disadvantages: - No beautifull Imperial-race women. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> - Guild quests are too easy. - General quest can be passed by a week. <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> - experienced player do not feel any dificulties passing the game even on low levels. <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> advantages: - good video & physics. - good plot.

Ooooh... just downloaded OBLIVION E3 2005 DEMO VIDEOS from their site. Damn, graphics & physics are fantastic <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> ... well, in overall it looks like a great base for an RPG, since there's construction set everyone (theoretically) can make better mods using it.

It does seem like the time for technology investments on RPGs has trully arrived. I guess they really are popular today, I remember to see throughout the years all major rpg games being limited to simplistic/non-expensive engines because they expected the game would never be able to respond big investments in terms of sale amount - they just were not popular enough, not like sports games (like FIFA), car games or FPS. This way they had to focus mainly on writting, which isn't a bad thing. I confess however some of the current RPGs look amazing, I never play any of them due to system limits, but watching some of those you have to wonder how much the graphics have evolved. Saw this game the other day, this does seem to be a great game being developed. Maybe this one will become a future favourite for me, I must say I read the interview with the team leader and everything sounded perfect, maybe too good to be true? <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.thewitcher.com/witcher.asp">http://www.thewitcher.com/witcher.asp</a><!-- m -->

why'd you have to post a wide panorama screenshot <!-- s:x --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt=":x" title="Mad" /><!-- s:x -->

Hmmm... But what's the problem? Just thought the attention to detail and realism of the architecture was worth noticing.

Sigh people are you still not getting the fact that Vavoom supports skyboxes, true colors and the like? We can make this kind of stuff for Korax' Heritage if we want, it'd just look too good compared to the actual map architecture, so it needs to be toned down a bit.

I've played only Arena and Morrowind in the Elder Scrolls series, and personally Morrowind is my favourite of them. Played it on Xbox though, have to get it for PC. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> And Mago, maybe you should rotate the panorama image 90 degrees so it doesn't cause scrolling problems? <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

Or simply post a clickable link next time. <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->

Never knew you guys were so touchy about big images, it's not like it's that hard to control the scrolling bars, both vertical and horizontal... I'll edit the post anyway. As for graphics: I never implied we should do something like that for our mods, it's not our purpouse. I pointed this game mainly because it has an extremely realistic world (notice the differance between realistic and eye-candy), and the game's goal is exactly to be a very realistic game, apart of course from that fact it's a fictuous time and space. I think if you read the producer's interview, you will see that this is a different game (at least from all I've seen), they have some very interesting objectives, but anyway... EDIT: Done. BTW if you guys can't be impressed by that kind of work (believe, I try my hand at computer graphics, that's hard to come by), I don't know what could impress you...

But we *could* make sceneries like this in Korax' Heritage (or close to it) if we wanted. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> BTW what screen resolution do you use?

"The Witched" is looking good too. [quote="RambOrc":29lvy891]But we *could* make sceneries like this in Korax' Heritage (or close to it) if we wanted. O, really? I would like to see <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> Well, I wish to add that I think that usually games' content develop asynchronous. Either grpahics&sounds or genre-specific content outruns the rest. Today its the multimedia features, but I am sure that time will pass and we'll receive great RPGs with deep atmosphere based on modern 3d engines.

Earthbound Hexen Hexen2 Heretic Quake Quake2 Quake 3 Doom 3 Doom Doom2 Earthworm Jim Earthworm Jim 2 Mother/Earthbound Zero pokemon series worms series Breath of Fire 3 Joe and Mac Half Life Super Mario Legend of the Seven Stars SMB SMB 3 Zelda: A link to the Past Secret of Mana Secret of Evermore Super Smash bros. series Mario party 1 & 2 (it kinda goes downhill from there...) Monopoly (who doesnt like this game?) Blackjack Poker Dino Park Tycoon (kinda) Scarab of Ra (almost) Lost Vikings Realmz Exile Paper mario 1 & 2 Seiken Densetsu 3 Harvest Moon: A wonderful life *phew*... it's so hard trying to think of every game i'd consider a 'favorite'. I think I'll stop there.

[quote="mago":wa4rjbom] BTW if you guys can't be impressed by that kind of work (believe, I try my hand at computer graphics, that's hard to come by), I don't know what could impress you... I understand. I guess as a visual artist, and therefore because you draw stuff and not me, you can better appreciate the hard work and skill it takes to make graphics like that. Not only in the scenery and the sprites/models, but also in the way they interact and blend to create a genuine 3D environment. Don't worry, I really enjoy those screenshots, but I feel that I need to say something a bit more explanatory than that or else I'm just not being very helpful. That's partially why I didn't really say anything at first. Sorry if I looked bored at first. That said, the dimensions of the image itself were a pain in the ass... <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

Hexen Doom Serious Sam Star Wars Battlefront Battlefield 1942 Command & Conquer series Age of Wonders series Total Annihilation Total Annihilation: Kingdoms System Shock 2 Lord of the Realm series Neverwinter Nights Duke Nukem 3D Quake Quake 2 Black & White Road Rash And many more other great games that I forgot to list <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> (Also all these games I have for PC because console isn't as leet.)

Doom/Doom II/Final Doom Heretic Hexen/Hexen II Quake/Quake II Serious Sam Command and Conquer Age of Empires II Blood Castlevania Zelda: Link to the Past Zelda: The Wind Waker Metroid Prime Super Metroid Super Smash Bros Melee Advance Wars 2 Super Mario 64 Super Mario Sunshine And more to come if i can remember <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

What is Zelda? Everyone mention it, but I never heard about such game.

Legend of Zelda. The first one was an old Nintendo game. I haven't played any of them past Link to the Past, which is my favorite one.

[quote="Ichor":3j5fwawb]Legend of Zelda. The first one was an old Nintendo game. I haven't played any of them past Link to the Past, which is my favorite one. Same. I absolutely despised Zelda64 and such My favorite games have slightly fluctuated since my last list in this thread :S

Zelda 64 turned me off to, Too much exploring and such but if you haven't played the Wind Waker then you've made a big mistake. It's truly good fun and the cel shading is awesome <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Where I may see (at least) this game? I mean screenshots or something. Being very curious.

[img:2amprne8]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3a/Legend_of_Zelda_NES.PNG/256px-Legend_of_Zelda_NES.PNG[/img:2amprne8] This is the original Legend of Zelda [img:2amprne8]http://www.armchairempire.com/images/Reviews/gameboy-advance-gba/legend-zelda-link-past/legend-zelda-link-past-1.jpg[/img:2amprne8] This is Link to the Past. [img:2amprne8]http://yannick.fleurit.free.fr/GameDesign/Camera%20Screenshots/Zelda%20Ocarina%20of%20Time-01.jpg[/img:2amprne8] And I guess this is Ocarina of Time

Cool! <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->

I love Link to the Past, Link's Awakening, and oracle of seasons/ages. The rest are pretty blah IMO.

[quote="Crimson Wizard":2pjx0ibf]What is Zelda? Everyone mention it, but I never heard about such game. <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> I don't believe it, you've never seen the game? You are missing some of the best game serires out there <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->. Try to get them on emulation sometime, I really recommend them <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->.

Not knowing of Zelda is like not being aware of the existence of mickey mouse.

Mickey who? [size=84:1crspy0i]Heh[/size:1crspy0i]

I've only played Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, and Wind Waker, and personally Ocarina is my favourite. Majora was just too confusing for me I remember, and Wind Waker I didn't really enjoy the graphics and the plot. Though that was years ago, I may play them all again when I find the time (and some new controllers <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->).

[quote="Firebrand":39ciut4y] <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> I don't believe it, you've never seen the game? You are missing some of the best game serires out there <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->. . One cannot see all the games. And what is popular on the West not oblidged to be popular elsewhere. BTW, heh, I think I may write something like those two first above myself <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->

To anyone this concerns, what platform is Link to the Past for? Is there a DOS emulation of it?

Super Nintendo

[quote="The 4th Class":3haqewti]To anyone this concerns, what platform is Link to the Past for? Is there a DOS emulation of it? oh my god

Instead of all this childish sarcasm, answer the question. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->

[quote="CheapAlert":3n03kgc1][quote="The 4th Class":3n03kgc1]To anyone this concerns, what platform is Link to the Past for? Is there a DOS emulation of it? oh my god Here we go again <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> . There is software available for downloading all around the internet that are emulators of different game consoles for different platforms (even DOS <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->), you also need ROMS which are dumps of the original games in a binary file for emulators to run, it's illegal of course, so just google for both of these <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->, you'll find almost anything you look for, heh!

[quote="Firebrand":2ychlvtz]you also need ROMS which are dumps of the original games in a binary file for emulators to run Yes! That's what I'm looking for.

Just do a search with the name of the game next to the term ROM - most rom hosting websites also have a section with popular emulators for all consoles, specially Mega Drive (Sega Genesis) and Super Nintendo (Super Famicon (sp?)). The reasoning is that if you have the original game, it is not illegal to play the rom image, but where the hell did that come from??? Never read that in any copyright terms... <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> I for one think playing those classic games still today is a great way to honour all the work and talent put into them.

I remember playing several games from Nintendo or some other (do not remember), emulator was called SNES. They were very cool. One was about an Evolution, you played a creature which were able to gather "evolution points" and buy some features like better tail, legs etc, you start as puny little fish, first part is underwater, then you become a lizard, then a dinosaur etc. Funny, there were different paths of evolution.

I remember this one side-scrolling game called Human or something like that, where the object is to guide a group of cavemen through various levels with the technology you have/find, until eventually they reached the 21st century. It's been over a decade since I last played it, but I remember enjoying it a lot. Reminded me of Lemmings, only these humans wern't suicidal morons.

[quote="The 4th Class":2b96bnm1]these humans wern't suicidal morons. Not realistic! <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

The humans in the game, not humans in real life. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

Oblivion screenshots from the Best Screenshot contest on one of the russian gaming forums. <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=48ae6d4640afbb496c4721a3bfa87c30&postid=1437225">http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=4 ... id=1437225</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=48ae6d4640afbb496c4721a3bfa87c30&postid=1437226">http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=4 ... id=1437226</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=48ae6d4640afbb496c4721a3bfa87c30&postid=1438068">http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=4 ... id=1438068</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.oblivscreen.narod.ru/">http://www.oblivscreen.narod.ru/</a><!-- m --> (click on links to see 3 cool shots) <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=48ae6d4640afbb496c4721a3bfa87c30&postid=1441795">http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=4 ... id=1441795</a><!-- m --> one of my favorites: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=48ae6d4640afbb496c4721a3bfa87c30&postid=1441800">http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=4 ... id=1441800</a><!-- m --> another really good one <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=48ae6d4640afbb496c4721a3bfa87c30&postid=1441803">http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=4 ... id=1441803</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.kayova.narod.ru/">http://www.kayova.narod.ru/</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=48ae6d4640afbb496c4721a3bfa87c30&postid=1438700">http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=4 ... id=1438700</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=48ae6d4640afbb496c4721a3bfa87c30&postid=1447050">http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=4 ... id=1447050</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=48ae6d4640afbb496c4721a3bfa87c30&postid=1447053">http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=4 ... id=1447053</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/4171/oblivion3cg1.jpg">http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/4171/oblivion3cg1.jpg</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=48ae6d4640afbb496c4721a3bfa87c30&postid=1447227">http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=4 ... id=1447227</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=48ae6d4640afbb496c4721a3bfa87c30&postid=1436712">http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=4 ... id=1436712</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=48ae6d4640afbb496c4721a3bfa87c30&postid=1446775">http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=4 ... id=1446775</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=48ae6d4640afbb496c4721a3bfa87c30&postid=1446568">http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=4 ... id=1446568</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=48ae6d4640afbb496c4721a3bfa87c30&postid=1445813">http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=4 ... id=1445813</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9111/oblivion2006081016363285qd0.jpg">http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9111/o ... 285qd0.jpg</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/3497/270ui9.jpg">http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/3497/270ui9.jpg</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2241/2465ct4.jpg">http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2241/2465ct4.jpg</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=e5f768060ffe67becfcd862074a58f67&postid=1437011">http://kamrad.ru/kvb/attachment.php?s=e ... id=1437011</a><!-- m --> No, I am really going to buy it... <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->

Trouble is at this time of year, once I buy it I won't have enough time to play it. <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( -->

Well, me too, maybe on weekends only.

O that reminds me, I'm happy to announce over the school year I'll be working part-time on the weekends as a guitar/saxophone teacher for children. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> It's a good-paying job for a student, $12 Canadian (about $10.85 American) per hour, 10 hours a week. That's almost twice what I made at my last job pushing carts for a financially-endangered grocery store. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->

You mean about $400 in month? nice salary for working 10 hrs per week. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> Well, its Canada after all.

Where the hell did you come up with that number? Even using American dollars, I calculated a $428.57 per 30-day month quota, which you probably truncated to $400, which is a huge mistake in the accounting world. Top that off that I don't need to may rent or food because I still live with my parents, and that's a lot of money back in my pocket. AND, unless I'm mistaken, my country is wealthier than yours. <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->

That was exactly what I meant. And that's not funny, actually... <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( --> because it is not just "less wealthier", but... pffff I'd say "in big shit"; it's hard to think about that.

Well with the rolling eyes emoticon, I figured you were being sarcastic.

Well, probably it was grief sarcasm. I just calculated that $400 per month in Russia is an average salary for full-time job (not for everybody even). Ofcourse there are people who have more - I mean between commons. Experienced programmer or engineer can have $1000 - 1200 I believe.

Yes, there's a lot of fiscal imbalance in the world, and quite frankly the richest countries in the world don't give a shit. Lester Pearson (arguably among the best Canadian prime ministers and winner of the Nobel Peace Prize as co-founder of the UN) once proposed all the wealthiest countries contribute 0.7% of their GDP to foreign aid. Well, of the G8 nations, I think France is the most generous one with 0.38%. ... Often I regret living in the western world for its greed and its waste. <!-- s:x --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt=":x" title="Mad" /><!-- s:x -->

<!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> O my God <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> That's funny, I often meet western people here who hate what their goverments do with other world. I ask myself, then, why those goverments still exist if there are so many people disagreeing with them? *sigh* stupid question.

[quote="CheapAlert":23uo5zs9]I thought we were talking about games And I thought you aren't a moderator here

but still, a derail from a happy fun game thread to a needless political discussion isn't really needed.

You are entitled to your opinion, just like everybody else. I'm here to make sure nobody gets shut up - there are enough gaming forums of that kind.

[quote="RambOrc":25nnvksj][quote="CheapAlert":25nnvksj]I thought we were talking about games And I thought you aren't a moderator here Yes! Once again RambOrc puts out the imaginary cigarette with his ass! <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: --> [quote="Crimson Wizard":25nnvksj]I ask myself, then, why those goverments still exist if there are so many people disagreeing with them? Money, power, ignorance of the public, and money.

Cheapy, as long as the thread doesn't get completely hijacked beyond recognition, I can't see a problem in discussing subsequent matters, as we are all grown up here. And I think expressing opinions are crucial (not necessarily needless), at least to strenght one's own ideas. I too think specialized forums are kinda boring. <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> Fear not, I understood what you meant, just trying to over-explain so things don't get bitter.

And Cheapy, instead of bashing us for expressing our views, why don't you express your own? It's a free forum - anything goes. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> PS: LOL I get the impression everyone here is a liberal/socialist. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

Sorry, sorry. <!-- s:oops: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /><!-- s:oops: --> I think I'll take a break here, it is really going to be awful offtopic.Or maybe move to another thread, if it seems interesting? [quote="The 4th Class":13dgqlud]Money, power, ignorance of the public, and money. ... and philosophy of consumption - you should add. [quote="The 4th Class":13dgqlud]PS: LOL I get the impression everyone here is a liberal/socialist. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> you'd better not use this combination in Russia <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> here word "liberal" is a sort of round oath... no one would put a socialist and liberal in one company.

And, well, I am a (happy?) owner of TES IV: Oblivion now. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> Decided to buy common DVD instead of box variant. $15. I may guess in Canada is costs a bit more? <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->

Yeah I don't know the exact price, but most high-end games can cost as much as $60.

philosophy of consumption

That [u:3qw5nw5y]IS[/u:3qw5nw5y] money!

Whatever. Well, my first impression from the game is that it is a step from Morrowind to Diablo-style RPG. What I really was shocked by is a speed of mana regeneration.

Yuck, I always hated Diablo. <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( -->

That impression may appear because of its beginning. I liked how Morrowind started - you were given a chance to live in a town for a whie and accomodate yourself with a world. Oblivion starts with fighting... it is very similar to Arena's beginning. You are sitting i the prison ceil, then descent into the dungeons and fight rats, zombies (1 copy <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> ) and goblins. Maybe when I'll see human civilization at last I change my opinion, I dunno. As extra minus - I don't like its UI much, but this may be first-time problem. There are many funny things, though. First is how you create a character. You choose its head form, face color etc. There are several dozens of parameters depicting his appearance. An easy way to make yourself a freak <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> Secondly - physics. You may catch hanging chains and make them swing naturally, smashing in each other. There was also curious moment about other creature's behavior. I was fighting rats for a while. Then following event happened. I was walking down some tunnel and two rats appeared. They were running straight to me. I preapred to defend, but they rushed past me. What the... <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> next moment I understood that they were frightened by Zombie, running after them <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

Way to spoil the intro, you jerk! <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> I'm joking, of course. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

Ok, I won't tell much about scenario detail anymore. <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->

Well, ok, Oblivion is a really beautifull game (I'd said fantastically beautiful if my PC could run it in highest quality mode <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> ). I do not think it is less autmospheric because of designers' fault, it simply has more common enviroment than Morrowind, it is looking like ordinary europian medieval country, with dense settlement system; thus it is much less mysterious than Morrowind's land. It seems to me that map is about same size as Morrowind, but it is much more passable, plus you may ride horse and this makes travel even faster (bad thing you almost cannot do anything while riding - no fighting - no talking, a real minus to the game). Dialog system is now more similar to Strife, with limited number of replicas.

I recently got my hands on Neverwinter Nights and I'm addicted to it <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->, heh! It's a very good RPG, it's not too difficult to set up your character (I don't like very complex RPGi), and the story is very good, after playing Arx Fatalis I never found any other good RPG games that really interested me in this way, and never played any other games that got me addicted to them as fast as this one <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->. It's very good, I recommend anyone who likes RPG to play it <!-- s8) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt="8)" title="Cool" /><!-- s8) --> .

Arx Fatalis is a lot like Stonekeep, just more modern technology. I actually liked Stonekeep better, but that's more of a taste question. The one thing missing from AF vs SK is the group, in SK you've got 3 NPCs who fight on your side and talk funny crap half the time. In AF you are alone like in an FPS. OTOH one of the very greatest moments of all my computer gaming history was the goblin kitchen, I loved it insanely, I spent hours in there just watching and listening (and baking my own apple pies of course and eating them), it was such a very very special experience, really one of a kind.

Have you seen Baldur Gates and Icewind Dale RPGs, Firebrand? They are predecessors of NWN in some way. And, heh, I wish to add one comment about Oblivion, Now every creature there may travel unlimitely between maps. Thus citizens usually walk outside their houses in morning to some shops or taverns. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> Then there was a funny episode. I've stolen a horse from the stables. Owner called for guards but I galloped far-far away, thru several areas. Then, I stopped for some sightseeing and suddenly heard someones' footsteps. I looked around and saw.. a town guard! He was running after me all the way <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

Hehe, guess he takes the law very seriously! <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> RambOrc: actually that's a pretty interesting story, didn't know you could do that in a game.

[quote="RambOrc":1ej8o70z]Arx Fatalis is a lot like Stonekeep, just more modern technology. I actually liked Stonekeep better, but that's more of a taste question. The one thing missing from AF vs SK is the group, in SK you've got 3 NPCs who fight on your side and talk funny crap half the time. In AF you are alone like in an FPS. OTOH one of the very greatest moments of all my computer gaming history was the goblin kitchen, I loved it insanely, I spent hours in there just watching and listening (and baking my own apple pies of course and eating them), it was such a very very special experience, really one of a kind. I've never heard of AF up until now. <!-- s8) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt="8)" title="Cool" /><!-- s8) --> But seeing as how you compare it to Stonekeep, it's worth a try as long as there's a free version of it somewhere... <!-- s8) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt="8)" title="Cool" /><!-- s8) -->

CW what you describe is not so special IMO, already ES II: Daggerfall (Oblivion is ES IV) had deep stuff of this kind, I remember that when I got bored with the game after a time, I started kiling civilians, then when I got captured and had to stay in the jail for months after I got out I killed some more, after a couple of times when I got out of jail I was approached by the assassins guild, inviting me to join them. And Morrowind was a LOT more complex than Daggerfall (or maybe it wasn't, I just never finished Daggerfall because it sucked too much).

In Oblivion you may try escaping prison. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> You will appear in jail with 1 Lockpick in hands. You may either "use" bed and wait your release or try to unlock door and run.

NWN for me lacked alot of depth. Baldur's Gate II is the best of the Bioware RPG series IMO.

My 12-year old sister is really into Kingdom Hearts, and I tried it, but after literally 30 minutes of introductory cinematic, I figure I want to play a game, not watch a movie. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> And watching her play, it's safe to say at least 50% of the game is cinematic and the rest actual gameplay.

[quote="The 4th Class":28skw597]but after literally 30 minutes of introductory cinematic, I figure I want to play a game, not watch a movie. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> welcome to the world of modern console games! have you played Metal Gear Solid 2 Sons of Liberty yet?

Hey I got nothing wrong with a little cinematic (no more than 4 minutes each) in the beginning, end, or anywhere in between to set the mood and get the blood pumping, but when it gets to the point that most of fingers' times are spent off the controller, that's when it becomes obvious that modern console games lack so much gameplay that they compromise it with movies. Half-hour movie in a game is excusable only as an epilogue.

As long as you can skip it all and there is enough real gameplay, it's OK. But if it replaces gameplay and/or you are forced to watch it all, then it's BS.

[quote="Crimson Wizard":t7u7ez2r]Have you seen Baldur Gates and Icewind Dale RPGs, Firebrand? They are predecessors of NWN in some way. Maybe after finishing NWM, I'll try to get my hands on Baldur's Gates, they seem to be very similar to NWM, and if they are as good as this one, I would like to play them <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->. As for the comments Ramborc did about AF, they are true, the game allows you to interact in very interesting ways with the items and objects in the world, which was something I really liked, also you are presented with uncommon situations all around, which is IMO something different for gaming <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->. I've never played Stonekeep, I'll try to search for it and give it a try too. As for cinematics in games, I think as Cheapy, all of the console games are just cinematics, sometimes even using the game engine, other times they are just a bunch of CGI's which don't even allow the player to see what the engine has to offer, sometimes game programmers do this because their engines are so limited that if the whole game could be played it would be more boring than how it is with cinematics <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> .

[quote="Firebrand":mzt6gmw5]I've never played Stonekeep, I'll try to search for it and give it a try too. As far as I know it's not freeware, but I never checked because I don't need to - already have it. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> Without DOSBox you'll need a Pentium I at the newest, though, and no Win-OS more recent than 95.

BTW I just recently installed Oblivion, though sadly I think it's either my processor (Turion 64) or graphics card (ATI Radeon Xpress 200M) that chopping and hacking gameplay. <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( --> At minimum video settings it looks far worse than even Quake, but the game flows very smoothly. And the slowest moments are during combat outside.

Hehe, I took me rather long time until I found settings that made game feel comfortable for me. At first stages I tried to increase graphics quality as far as it is possible with my machine, simply to see what it will look like. After I player a while, I lowered quality so I could normally play <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> still in combat with numerous (> 4) participants it slows down so the only way to fight is jumping-running here&there and hacking, hacking hacking... praying you will be lucky enouph. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> BTW, I usually played The Very Good Spellsword in TES games, now I decided to create a sort of selfish and immoral bard/thief/assassin. <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: --> Also, I decided to play on the highest possible difficulty. Actually, I was bored by low difficulty in other games and didn't expected what will happen <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> when I was on low levels it didn't surprised me a lot when common rat killed me in 2-3 successfull hits, but after a while I understood that I had chosen a "Nightmare mode" <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> Anyway, I lowered difficluty down only once and for one not very lengthy period, somewhere between 18 and 20 levels when entered the Oblivion dimension for the first time. Then, I raised it back. But damn, it was hard! <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> On low levels there were only two available tactics to survive in duel with strong enemy - either run constantly shooting at him with bow or spells, or (which happend more often) run to nearest imperial guards, who always helped me to take a bastard out <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> That didn't worked in dungeouns, though <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->.

Thanks for the descriptions! <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> BW, do you think it's worth I replace my graphics card? I just don't want to waste my money if that's not the answer. Merely curious.

I've recently installed NWN 2, and I barely have the minimum requirements for it, and it plays well, I can't get used to the new camera which just feels stupidly slow, so far it's a good story <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> .

I'm still playing Hexen <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: --> I'm not so encouraged to buy new games since Tomb Raider 6 failed to work in my computer <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( -->

There's a Tomb Raider 6? I thought there was only two or three of those.

I think my sister has at least 5 TRs. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

4th it's definitely your graphics card that's making Oblivion unplayable.

[quote="RambOrc":2dgyiry3]4th it's definitely your graphics card that's making Oblivion unplayable. Well thanks for the brief help. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> I guess I'll upgrade to what Oblivion readme recommends when I have a job again. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> It's always been confusing me, though, that a chip such as Turion can complete with, say, modern day Athlons or Pentiums, that can run at over twice the frequency with twice the RAM. RambOrc can you nurture my ignorance and explain this? <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

Turion is the latest mobile Athlon.

If you want my opinion 4th Class, I wouldn't go for the most expensive card out there, there should be cheaper options that aren't that old, or you could buy a generic card, which is cheaper and uses newer graphical chips <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->.

I was thinking minimum chip "recommended" by Bethesda software, which is ATI x800 series, or GeForce 6800 series. At any rate I just want to abuse its premium graphics. <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: -->

[quote="Ichor":325qzw40]There's a Tomb Raider 6? I thought there was only two or three of those. There's the original, the 2, the 2+, the 3, the 3+ (lost artifact), the 4 (last revelation), the 5 (chronicles), the 6 (angel of darkness), and I think there's a 7th. [quote="Crimson Wizard":325qzw40]my sister has at least 5 TRs Me too <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

Well a Radeon X800 or a GeForce 6800 will still cost you quite a sum. I mean, you either want to use a moderately priced computer OR you want to enjoy the max quality details of the latest games like Oblivion or Prey, there's no middle way.

Speaking of graphical cards there's NO middle way, yeah, but speaking of a WHOLE computer, there's a middle way IMO, you can have a cool processor that runs very fast, but a not so new video card, that won't make the best performance for games, surely, but you'll have a decent running computer for everything else <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->.

Hehe, can't resist this <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/orc2.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> Check out these videos of Monkey Island 3, I think one of the best adventure games ever <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/orc2.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=1-9my0tsutw">http://youtube.com/watch?v=1-9my0tsutw</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=R_PqZofBPWg">http://youtube.com/watch?v=R_PqZofBPWg</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=E28WrhpTzQA">http://youtube.com/watch?v=E28WrhpTzQA</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=rREKIPsDi6g">http://youtube.com/watch?v=rREKIPsDi6g</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=l3OT-ppvii4">http://youtube.com/watch?v=l3OT-ppvii4</a><!-- m -->

Nice videos there <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/orc2.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->. Interesting looking game, I've never played but the first Monkey Island, it was a good game.

I have the fourth one, and it's pretty awesome.

[quote="TheCount":3r4f40fo]I have the fourth one, and it's pretty awesome. Frankly I think in 4th they lost authentity, plus in was made in 3D (as Grim Fandango) and controls were not very convenient. BTW there was a rumor about 5th game that can appear in some future.

[quote="Crimson Wizard":1v3rha6a]Frankly I think in 4th they lost authentity That's probably true, it's full of jokes that reference to the previous games. [quote="Crimson Wizard":1v3rha6a]plus in was made in 3D I actually like that... well, add it to the fact that I was seven when I first had it and you get a winner. [quote="Crimson Wizard":1v3rha6a]and controls were not very convenient. I agree, they could have been a lot better. But, overall, I still laugh my ass off with it.

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