Relax guys, there's hope for civilization after all <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> [url:2sya5irc]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8429232826646397510&hl=en-GB I think citizens from across the world can learn from Cuba's remarkable transformation into a more sustainable, organic society. They are, if not reluctantly, one of our prime role models towards a push to stop all this mass-consumption and wasteful, polluting industries. A video more specific to an American audience, Escape From Suburbia, is available for purchase on DVD. It deals more with what's going on in the US in terms of localizing the economy and essentially minimizing dependence on fossil fuels. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> Watch the video, you'll like it. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> It's a warm breath of fresh air after dealing with all that doomsday apocalyptic misinformation you've no doubt learned about. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->

Hey, nice movie <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> I'll download this one.

MORE WORK! Less talk... <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

O shit, was this movie deleted? I managed to download about 80%, then I made a pause, and then - there were no movie <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( -->

The CIA has stepped in so we dont discover organic fuel, that way they can profit from us when we throw hundreds of dollars at Gasoline month. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

Looks like the uploader was a third party source and got busted <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( --> Well I've found another video, this one about the director of the movie talking in an interview about it. Extremely informative, and very moving too. On a personal note, I learned about the movie itself from this interview: [url:2s4uchlt]http://youtube.com/watch?v=f7i6roVB5MI

Is "The End of Suburbia" the same movie? I found this "political" torrent site: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://onebigtorrent.org/details.php?id=1408">http://onebigtorrent.org/details.php?id=1408</a><!-- m -->

Escape From Suburbia is the sequel to The End Of Suburbia. TEOF deals almost entirely about the false dreams of oil, while EFS tries to be optimistic and showcases various municipalities localizing and decentralizing their infrastructure.

Say, Lucas, did you download that 'Escape From Suburbia' movie? Maybe there's the way it may shared somehow... I feel rather frustrated because my download was nearly complete <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->; while this topic interests me much.

I rented both EFS and TEOS at a video store, but I've found a few excerpts from EFS on Google Video. If you'd rather watch the entire video and still can't seem to find it, then maybe you should do the legal thing and order a copy. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> That said, I found a shortened version of TEOS (original version's about 78 mins long) here: [url:2hybq1hh]http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4862673521005190888&q=end+suburbia&total=91&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1 And it's great that ppl are interested in this, as it is indeed a global issue that affects everybody. We all need to start thinking about our future, and our children's. We can't just sit back and let our elected leaders do all the action: we have to take action ourselves as well. I hope one day, when I am a few years older, to be able to take part in such a volunteer program, more catered to Canada, my country and my home. As the saying goes, "Think globally, act locally."

[quote="The 4th Class":2rqqdwlb]If you'd rather watch the entire video and still can't seem to find it, then maybe you should do the legal thing and order a copy. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> Err... from America? no thanks. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->

And WHAT is wrong with getting it from america? <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? -->

Price. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

Not to mention the shipping will consume precious fossil fuels, which defeats the purpose. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

[quote="Crimson Wizard":wvj7kccv]Price. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> AHAHAHAHA! I had to laugh at that, you get things here in america pretty cheap compared to everywhere else, any other country is high-way robbery, your country however is a good example on price and/or quality.

Not to mention the shipping will consume precious fossil fuels, which defeats the purpose.

Extinction of fossil fuels is innevitable at this point, when we unlock the power of fusion, no more pollution and gasoline!

[quote="Valherran":3151u7tr]you get things here in america pretty cheap compared to everywhere else What about countries where the local currency has been devaluated to be worth 1/3 or less of it's previous worth, compared to the USD?

[quote="Valherran":39cfndtg][quote="Crimson Wizard":39cfndtg]Price. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> AHAHAHAHA! I had to laugh at that, you get things here in america pretty cheap compared to everywhere else, Maybe that's right regarding Western Europe? From what I know about prices, such products as DVDs (game/movies) cost at least 2-3 times as much as in my country, and sometimes even higher. (Not mentioning shipping price) Besides, you see, it looks like a kind of pervertion to me to get a movie that I just would like to watch some day from another side of the planet. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

As far as shipping tariffs go, I always thought it cheaper to ship from America, in part because of the free trade agreement. Though shipping from China is dirt-cheap, they're a cheap labour powerhouse.

Extinction of fossil fuels is innevitable at this point, when we unlock the power of fusion, no more pollution and gasoline!

Me? I believe in more of a mixed form of energy grid, one which isn't reliant on a single source, because if that goes down there's no energy until it's restored. IMO, we need a healthy mix of as much solar, wind, hydro, and geothermal as we can get, and then topping the rest with nuclear. But let's not forget that energy security means more than increasing local supply: but also decreasing demand. Sadly we in NA consume a disproportionate share of the world's resources, with MUCH of it a pointless waste. And now the developing world, with a keen ambition to industrialize, is following our history by example, as there is no other role model to follow. Why else did it take us 150 years to consume the first half of oil supply, but will only take us about 20-30 years to finish the other half? <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( --> Sadly, the same thing might just be true for the uranium deposits required to operate nuclear fission plants. Nuclear is NON-renewable, you know.

[quote="The 4th Class":jqjd8k28]As far as shipping tariffs go, I always thought it cheaper to ship from America, in part because of the free trade agreement. FYI: shipping from the US is cheap to Canada and to nowhere else in the world.

What's "FYI"?

for your information

[quote="RambOrc":2uunhfm5][quote="The 4th Class":2uunhfm5]As far as shipping tariffs go, I always thought it cheaper to ship from America, in part because of the free trade agreement. FYI: shipping from the US is cheap to Canada and to nowhere else in the world. I thought Mexico was part of the agreement too <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? -->

[quote="The 4th Class":25rsuzn6]As far as shipping tariffs go, I always thought it cheaper to ship from America, Umm, Lucas, when I said "America" I meant, err, America... it's funny to see how an american uses term "America" while meaning US. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> Reminds me a comment from "Team America" cartoon, something like: "Panama, South America, N miles from the Real America". <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

[quote="Crimson Wizard":1917owdi][quote="The 4th Class":1917owdi]As far as shipping tariffs go, I always thought it cheaper to ship from America, Umm, Lucas, when I said "America" I meant, err, America... it's funny to see how an american uses term "America" while meaning US. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> In English, the two continents collectively are called "the Americas," while "America" almost always (99.99% of the time) means the US. And to be an "American" always (exactly 100% of the time) means to be a citizen of the US. If you wanna be general, every citizen from the continent is a "North American."

[quote="The 4th Class":16r9z9l1]As far as shipping tariffs go, I always thought it cheaper to ship from America, in part because of the free trade agreement. Though shipping from China is dirt-cheap, they're a cheap labour powerhouse.

Extinction of fossil fuels is innevitable at this point, when we unlock the power of fusion, no more pollution and gasoline!

Me? I believe in more of a mixed form of energy grid, one which isn't reliant on a single source, because if that goes down there's no energy until it's restored. IMO, we need a healthy mix of as much solar, wind, hydro, and geothermal as we can get, and then topping the rest with nuclear. But let's not forget that energy security means more than increasing local supply: but also decreasing demand. Sadly we in NA consume a disproportionate share of the world's resources, with MUCH of it a pointless waste. And now the developing world, with a keen ambition to industrialize, is following our history by example, as there is no other role model to follow. Why else did it take us 150 years to consume the first half of oil supply, but will only take us about 20-30 years to finish the other half? <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( --> Sadly, the same thing might just be true for the uranium deposits required to operate nuclear fission plants. Nuclear is NON-renewable, you know. Erm yeah Uranium is a big issue, but with Cold Fusion, all you need is water, WATER!! <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

[quote="TheCount":3gu4auxl][quote="RambOrc":3gu4auxl][quote="The 4th Class":3gu4auxl]As far as shipping tariffs go, I always thought it cheaper to ship from America, in part because of the free trade agreement. FYI: shipping from the US is cheap to Canada and to nowhere else in the world. I thought Mexico was part of the agreement too <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> Yes, Mexico is part of it too, but most of the time our merchandises don't accomplish the quality the US require and they aren't imported there.

A funny fact for the rest of you: NAFTA means fuel in spanish <!-- s:o --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif" alt=":o" title="Surprised" /><!-- s:o -->

[quote="TheCount":3htzcvvu]A funny fact for the rest of you: NAFTA means fuel in spanish <!-- s:o --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif" alt=":o" title="Surprised" /><!-- s:o --> Really?? Here in mexico the word for fuel is GASOLINA.

Nafta is a bit more vulgar, but it's used here.

[quote="Firebrand":2y690sm8][quote="TheCount":2y690sm8]A funny fact for the rest of you: NAFTA means fuel in spanish <!-- s:o --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif" alt=":o" title="Surprised" /><!-- s:o --> Really?? Here in mexico the word for fuel is GASOLINA. In russian it is TOPLIVO, which, i think, may look as spanish language word is someone's eyes <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

Hey, it can sound like spanish if you pronnounce it in a certain way... but it sounds like a brand of something.

Heh, in French it's ESSENCE. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->

[quote="Crimson Wizard":1ptkj1ae][quote="Firebrand":1ptkj1ae][quote="TheCount":1ptkj1ae]A funny fact for the rest of you: NAFTA means fuel in spanish <!-- s:o --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif" alt=":o" title="Surprised" /><!-- s:o --> Really?? Here in mexico the word for fuel is GASOLINA. In russian it is TOPLIVO, which, i think, may look as spanish language word is someone's eyes <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> Really? I don't see any similarities at all, heh! <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

Pronnounce it as you would in spanish.. reminds me of brands like topolino.

Perhaps I was wrong and it is a bit liker to italian. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> Whatever.