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Heresiarch question

Sat, 07 Aug 2004 23:41:27

Evil Mage

How much health does that monster have? Christ! <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> Also, when I kill the original Heresiarch in the Seminary map, level 13 or so with that hallway full of candles...do I get experience points for killing he Heresiarch clones? That first one warped in 2!!!! before he died! grrrrr! <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> So I wanna know if I'm wasting my time or not trying to kill these 2 others... <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? -->
Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:55:51

fangol

I remember he used to give around 64k experience points in KMod 2.2. I killed the original one and two his clones with Cleric, resulting in gaining additional level relatively to Mage.
Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:38:54

RambOrc

As far as I can recall, all boss monsters except for Korax had their HP increased tenfold, for the Heresiarch that means 50'000 HP. EXP given when killing a monster is +-10% of the HP, meaning killing a Heresiarch will give you EXP of a random number between 45'000 and 55'000. In KMOD, it doesn't matter whether the monster was summoned or on the map from the beginning, it has the same amount of HP and gives the same EXP, meaning if your Heresiarch summons 2 further ones and one of them summons still another time by the time you finish them off, i.e. you kill 4 Heresiarchs, you'll get a total EXP somewhere between 180'000 and 220'000. <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->
Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:47:02

mago

Yes, it's worth the trouble, but believe me, it takes AGES to kill Heresiarchs, specially with those defense magics and the extra HPs. Lots of work.
Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:53:30

RambOrc

Not at all... you just pull down the console, type MAD BUTCHER and that was it. <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->
Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:56:47

Moose

or if you are me you just change the spawnhealth variable <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> . Hey I only do it when testing out the heresiarch.
Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:59:50

mago

That's a bit unfair!!! <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> No, I like to kill them the old way - draw the Quietus, boost myself with some "rage" and go in there for the grudge battle, cutting through bones, muscle tissue and magical robes alike, and then obviously running away like a little girl once the effect of the bersek is finished! <!-- s8) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt="8)" title="Cool" /><!-- s8) -->
Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:02:02

RambOrc

[quote="mago":ycrvrk1v]and then obviously running away like a little guy That's just shows you're a chicken, Mago. <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->
Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:03:26

Moose

That how I usually deal with them when playing seriously with out the running like a little girl, but to do that for every test I'd get nowhere fast.
Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:39:58

mago

You guys are seriously trying to convince me that you stay there among two or three Heresiarchs, eating those purple fireballs flurries and the summoned dark bishops' own fireballs, waiting for their defense spells to wear off, even when not in rage mode? C'mon... Any sane player will HAVE to run for cover (like a little girl) once the power is out and the Heresiarch are protected! <!-- s8) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt="8)" title="Cool" /><!-- s8) --> <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->
Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:56:32

mago

BY the way, aside from running from it in circles and hidding in an unacessible area, is there any other more direct way of dealing with those bloody, body seeking flaming heads from hell?
Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:15:16

Ichor

Just ignore them or let them hit you if you have enough health. They don't do very much damage anyway.
Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:29:36

Evil Mage

Christ..well I play Hexen on the highest difficulty..so I can't access cheats like you noobs <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> . Well I went along and just passed the last 2 heresiarches and am facing the one in Gibbet now. God those guys take forever to kill. Used to many of those...spells that cast so much damage..whatever its called....Man I can't stand facing those guys in KMOD, they take ages to kill..and when they summon 2 more Heresiarchs..GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Annoying fuckers!! <!-- s:x --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt=":x" title="Mad" /><!-- s:x --> <!-- s:x --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt=":x" title="Mad" /><!-- s:x --> I don't have the patience to spend another hour to kill 1 more Heresiarch..then another to kill another in 1 map..when I could've finished 2 whole hubs/worlds by then...anyways.. I wanna use a Heresiarch and his spells... <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->
Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:51:15

RambOrc

A whole hour for a Heresiarch? Took me all of 5 minutes as far as I can remember... <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> The good news is that back in KMOD increasing HP so insanely was a cheap temporary solution to balance the game, in Korax' Heritage we plan to use improved AI, additional spells/weapons and higher damage along with a moderately increased HP. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->
Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:47:23

Evil Mage

Dude, this mofo Heresiarch uses that frigging degensive spell so often!! I can't tell when its off or on unless I shoot, and those spinning balls around his waist are always wrong if they mean its on or off...and dam..I have to use horrible pain so many times..and by that team...he spawns 2 more Heresiarchs ! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!! <!-- s:x --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt=":x" title="Mad" /><!-- s:x --> <!-- s:x --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt=":x" title="Mad" /><!-- s:x --> <!-- s:x --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt=":x" title="Mad" /><!-- s:x --> And then spawns Dark Bishops..feck! Well I finally got passed Gibbet and now just Killed Zedek, the Fighter boss. And damn..everytime I kill a Master Boss, I go back to that Graveyard map..and ALL those powerful monstters respawn. aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Not enough mana to and spell magic to go around. Damn difficult using the Magic wand on those guys..dodging all their blasts when 1 shot kills my mage..damn...Once I finish KMOD2.8!! I will be relieved! God damn man!
Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:52:48

RambOrc

Nobody forced you to play on highest difficulty setting... <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->
Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:18:23

Evil Mage

I've beaten it with all classes on hardest difficult on Nintendo 64 and I must do it on KMOD aswell but dam its fecking hard. I don't need no silly cheats or (easy difficulty) like you noobs. <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> <!-- s8) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt="8)" title="Cool" /><!-- s8) --> 5 minutes to kill a Heresiarch on Hardest difficulty is impossible. Luckily, I killed them both and ran for the portal. Fewf. <!-- s8) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt="8)" title="Cool" /><!-- s8) -->
Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:44:58

The 4th Class

[quote="Evil Mage":2autsk1d]I don't need no silly cheats or (easy difficulty) like you noobs. Theoretically, in the English language two negatives make a positive, meaning you do need the cheats. <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->
Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:59:37

Evil Mage

[quote="The 4th Class":2td7eyld][quote="Evil Mage":2td7eyld]I don't need no silly cheats or (easy difficulty) like you noobs. Theoretically, in the English language two negatives make a positive, meaning you do need the cheats. <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> I think I mentioned how I've struggled past the 2 Heresiarch bosses and am now on the hardest level in the game in KMOD on the highest difficulty. I didn't need cheats yet, and I'm right at the end and I don't need them now. I'm just complaining it's hard tenfold!! But I will conquer it with my puny ass mage with..35 health... <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: -->
Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:11:55

fangol

Fresh Heresiarh killing report. As I have stated before, playing with Celric is very easy. I started to play at the highest difficulty with doubled monsters damage and health (2/2), after receiving the Serpent Staff I switched to 2/5, and shortly after that - to 2/10. Well, at least I thought... Before pressing the last of the nine switches in the second hub, I had saved the game and restored the original KMOD3.cfg file in order not to deal with too strong Heresiarh. He felt in 20 minutes very easily, being unintentionally caught on top of the raising rectagonal structure in the far end of the Seminary. Hmm, I received 255k of experience? <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> I had a look on the KMOD3.cfg file I played with casually, and it had a 2/5 setting, not 2/10 as I believed... I reloaded the saved game, set damage/health to 2/10 and called for Heresiarh again. Now I decided to play a fair game, in the open court. Well, the epic battle took almost two hours, including numerous visits to the artifact generator, and rewarded me with 260k of experience. So the game sets the health of Heresiarh before a player activates the last switch. Defeating the regular monsters at 2/10 setting is another story...
Mon, 05 Sep 2005 17:08:58

paganraven

Huh? I thought everybody here only played it on Pope difficulty. You mean me and evil mage are the only ones? Oh, and where did that 3.0 beta go? i need to download it again.
Tue, 06 Sep 2005 14:02:16

Firebrand

[quote="PaganRaven":ifyw9agu]Huh? I thought everybody here only played it on Pope difficulty. You mean me and evil mage are the only ones? Oh, and where did that 3.0 beta go? i need to download it again. I have finished the game several times using KMod and the Hard skill of the game, so you can't say that anymore <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: --> , as for the KMod beta, do you check the news sections of each project? (I don't think so <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> ), check the news section for Korax Mod, you'll find the link there.
Tue, 06 Sep 2005 18:06:30

The 4th Class

How come the public beta download isn't the first link in the KMod download section, since it's the most recent release, but is buried deep in the news posts? <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->
Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:15:50

BlackSimon

My "Heresiarch Killing Report" <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/orc9.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> Well after I tried a few times killing him and failed, I came up with a new strategy. My character is a mage, level 13 or 14 and my Arc of Death doesn't cost me any mana anymore... I had a agic of 290, so I was able to cast the Defensive Spell 5 times in a line. During this time, I fired one Arc of Death after the other and build a cage of Flechettes around Heresiarch. After there were no Magic Points remaining, I hided in some small corner, turned off the monitor and read a few pages in a nice book. After Ive read some pages, I turned on the monitor again and went on with my Arc of Death shooting... I needed 2 or 3 of these reload-breaks but I didnt use even one hitpoint during the epic battle. I know Im a coward <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/orc9.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->
Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:19:31

RambOrc

This is the kind of thing we will try to correct for Scattered Evil.
Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:12:15

BlackSimon

Maybe I have to add that I was playing on "medium easy difficulty" <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/orc9.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> However, maybe you should make the spells cost a little bit mana even if you have a high "efficienty" and the defensive Spell shouldnt be as good as he is now...
Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:15:31

Stryker

I wasn't here when that was added in... But I think it eventually costing no mana was the point. We'll just, hopefully, be improving the AI so you won't be able to do things like that... So AFAIK, it'll be just like KMod, with it eventually costing nothing. But I'm not Ramborc, am I? <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/orc4.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> So its not my call.
Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:02:01

RambOrc

I meant the defensive spell.
Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:04:32

Stryker

I don't get it. <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/orc4.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> Or were you not even talking about what I said..? <!-- s:-s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/eusa_eh.gif" alt=":-s" title="Eh?" /><!-- s:-s -->
Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:55:47

jgf

One thing I've noticed fighting a Heresiarch, he won't put up his shield unless he actually sees you. Which makes the cleric my favorite character - the Wraithverge is the only weapon the can "fire" around corners. Also noted on medium difficulty it will take about six Kraters of Might to kill a Heresiarch with the Wraithverge. Plan your shopping accordingly and drop the Heresiarch without ever taking a single hit yourself.
Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:59:43

Crimson Wizard

[quote="jgf":de8nhxn8]One thing I've noticed fighting a Heresiarch, he won't put up his shield unless he actually sees you. Which makes the cleric my favorite character - the Wraithverge is the only weapon the can "fire" around corners. Also noted on medium difficulty it will take about six Kraters of Might to kill a Heresiarch with the Wraithverge. Plan your shopping accordingly and drop the Heresiarch without ever taking a single hit yourself. As the one responsible for advanced monster AI in Scattered Evil I will never let this or similar thing happen with any of our monsters <!-- s:evil: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/orcevil.gif" alt=":evil:" title="Evil or Very Mad" /><!-- s:evil: -->
Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:17:56

jgf

Should've kept my big mouth shut! OTOH, you shouldn't be able to take down this character so effortlessly.
Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:26:52

Dancso

[quote="jgf":1w1lqm5b]Should've kept my big mouth shut! OTOH, you shouldn't be able to take down this character so effortlessly. Nah, it sucks to be cheap... The heresiarchs were supposed to be challenging!
Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:08:39

RambOrc

How about the exploit in Heretic where you stand behind a brazier or similar or at the edge of a corner and you can shoot through with your wand or dragonclaw but monsters who shoot back get their shots blocked (same as your other weapons like crossbow bolts).

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