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Happy Canada Day (you fucking Christian Right assholes!)

Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:41:19

The 4th Class

In case you didn't know, today is my country's 140th birthday. And sadly I'll be spending the day working from 3-11 in a crowded coffee shop, no doubt serving the people who will go watch the downtown festival later on. <!-- s:cry: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cry.gif" alt=":cry:" title="Crying or Very sad" /><!-- s:cry: --> Every year since childhood I'd watch the fireworks from upon a small hill, greeted with concerts, carnies, all the fun stuff. This year I make $60 making coffee instead. <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> But that's not the point. Anyway, this year the CBC decided to host a contest called the "Great Canadian Wish List," in which participants can both share their #1 wish for Canada, and support other people's wishes. The winner (a.k.a. the wish that gets the most supporters) gets air-time on CBC to publicy express their views. It was going real great at first, until the fucking right-winged Christian fundamentalists stepped in and hijacked the thread. Fuck 'em fucking fuckers! <!-- s:x --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt=":x" title="Mad" /><!-- s:x --> Anyways, here are the top 10 wishes, in order of # people who supported them: 1: Abolish abortion in Canada 2: Keep abortion legal (You just can't satisfy everybody, can you? <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->) 3: Get the passive/ardent Christian citizens more active in their views (officially titled "Time for a Spiritual Revival in Our Nation" - honestly I SWEAR this group didn't even exist until the last 3 weeks of voting <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> - I suspect some cheating has taken place) 4: Restore the traditional definition of marriage (nor this one: currently in Canadian law same-sex marriages are legal and protected under law. Good! Let's keep it that way.) 5: Lower, or eliminate, university tuition fees 6: Harsher environmental regulations (This one was actually at around #2 or #3 early on when the contest began.). 7: Keep same-sex marriage legal 8: More funding to healthcare 9: Proportional representation 10: Increased research into alternative fuels I don't know whether to feel embarrassed these warped minds are so abundant... or whether to feel somewhat pleased that if these are the most important issues to Canada, we're pretty well off then. And just for funsies, I joined this contest, and here are all the wishes I supported: #2, #5, #6, #8, #9, #10, and like 20 others but do you really care? <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> Well, at any rate, happy birthday to my country. Hopefully we will continue to progress forward, and not backward the way these fundamentalist idiots are proposing. Just remember this poll reflects only the opinions of those who participated, not the opinions of every Canadian. Peace, I'm off to prepare for work now. <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( -->
Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:48:48

Crimson Wizard

[quote="The 4th Class":3cib2zqr]And just for funsies, I joined this contest, and here are all the wishes I supported: #2, [quote="The 4th Class":3cib2zqr]2: Keep abortion legal (You just can't satisfy everybody, can you? Rolling Eyes Razz) You're voting for women killing their children?
Sun, 01 Jul 2007 18:17:52

TheCount

Uh-oh, here's another intellectual pages-long discussion! *runs away*
Sun, 01 Jul 2007 21:46:38

Firebrand

Hahaha! Funny enough, legalizing abortion has been a very active theme here in Mexico since the government is trying to make it. There are a lot of Christian groups trying to avoid it, and the church is trying to stop it too <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> , I frankly think it's very annoying to discuss for something like this, people has abortions even if they are illegal, and none is going to get anything good if they legalize it or not. IMO the best option is to increase education in certain social spheres, to avoid unwanted consequences for younger people.
Mon, 02 Jul 2007 03:33:46

The 4th Class

[quote="Firebrand":1g14prs4]increase education in certain social spheres, to avoid unwanted consequences for younger people. So true, so true (the educating we've done already has reduced unwanted pregnancy, thereby reducing abortions along with it). But don't forget that an even more important aid in ridding the whole abortion crisis altogether is to make more available contraceptives. I don't know about Mexico, but over here condoms and birth control pills are abundant as coffee. And frankly they taste just as good.
Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:45:44

Crimson Wizard

[quote="Firebrand":3rj90mc1]increase education in certain social spheres, to avoid unwanted consequences for younger people. What terrifies me really is that when those "unwanted consequences" occasionally happen, people get rid of them in most inhuman way. [quote="The 4th Class":3rj90mc1]over here condoms and birth control pills are abundant as coffee. And frankly they taste just as good. <!-- s:o --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif" alt=":o" title="Surprised" /><!-- s:o --> <!-- s:o --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif" alt=":o" title="Surprised" /><!-- s:o --> <!-- s:o --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif" alt=":o" title="Surprised" /><!-- s:o --> Which ones you tasted??? <!-- s:oops: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /><!-- s:oops: --> <!-- s:o --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif" alt=":o" title="Surprised" /><!-- s:o --> <!-- s:o --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif" alt=":o" title="Surprised" /><!-- s:o -->
Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:53:10

The 4th Class

LOL interesting choice of emoticons. <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> But so far I've only tasted the strawberry- and raspberry-flavoured ones, been meaning to try the chocolate mint one though... Condoms that is. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->
Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:56:20

Crimson Wizard

<!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> ... i feel sick now....
Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:08:01

Valherran

No comment...just...no comment... <!-- s:-& --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/eusa_sick.gif" alt=":-&" title="Sick" /><!-- s:-& -->
Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:12:17

The 4th Class

I was 14, bored, curious, and did I say 14? What would you expect from such a case? <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->
Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:15:33

Crimson Wizard

Ok, thinking pragmatically, it is just a piece of synthetic material after all... <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? -->
Mon, 02 Jul 2007 15:39:05

Firebrand

[quote="Crimson Wizard":q2x9z85v]What terrifies me really is that when those "unwanted consequences" occasionally happen, people get rid of them in most inhuman way. Unfortunately, that's very true <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( -->. I think people just cares for themselves and not other lives. [quote="The 4th Class":q2x9z85v]over here condoms and birth control pills are abundant as coffee. And frankly they taste just as good. Haha! I can't believe what I read there <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> .
Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:54:54

TheCount

lol... I'm 14, I'm bored, but I'll be guessing they won't taste as good here <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> Over here there's been an abortion discussion some time ago. How things are, one can't really tell if it's legal or not. I think it isn't. And the most important Christian group here is one of those who are only there to suck the people dry of money (see Leper Messiah by Metallica).
Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:29:52

PouncingAnt

Abortion eh? As a Brit, I'm also somewhat confused over where we stand on abortion, myself. However I'd rather have the abortion laws discussed through science and philosophy than have theologists determine whether to legalise it or not. I'm not sure whether this is a feeling shared by my countrymen as a whole, but I know a lot of people of that mind..
Tue, 03 Jul 2007 00:24:33

The 4th Class

[quote="PouncingAnt":5v3wcl6c]Abortion eh? As a Brit, I'm also somewhat confused over where we stand on abortion, myself. However I'd rather have the abortion laws discussed through science and philosophy than have theologists determine whether to legalise it or not. I'm not sure whether this is a feeling shared by my countrymen as a whole, but I know a lot of people of that mind.. Sounds like you're an agnostic, just like me. <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> [quote="TheCount":5v3wcl6c](see Leper Messiah by Metallica) <!-- s=D> --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/eusa_clap.gif" alt="=D>" title="Applause" /><!-- s=D> -->
Tue, 03 Jul 2007 01:39:57

Necromancer

fuck 'em fucking fuckers
That has to be the most redundant statement I have read in my life. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->
Tue, 03 Jul 2007 01:41:49

Necromancer

damn why do I keep accidentally double posting <!-- s:oops: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /><!-- s:oops: -->
Tue, 03 Jul 2007 04:22:25

TheCount

Hmmmm, interesting how many countries have their independence day in July.
Tue, 03 Jul 2007 07:48:30

PouncingAnt

I wouldn't say I'm agnostic. On a very basic level, I believe there is a god. But I guess I am mostly agnostic in my views [quote="TheCount":2cefggxh]Hmmmm, interesting how many countries have their independence day in July. Mine doesn't <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->
Tue, 03 Jul 2007 08:09:55

Crimson Wizard

[quote="PouncingAnt":w28o7562][quote="TheCount":w28o7562]Hmmmm, interesting how many countries have their independence day in July. Mine doesn't <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> Mine had, in June though. <!-- s:x --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt=":x" title="Mad" /><!-- s:x --> Those idiots 'up there' announced 'russia independence day' at the 12 june - the day they signed "Russia sovereignty declaration" back in 1990. But "russian independence" always sounded so crazy (just ask - independence from whom???), that they finally renamed it to the "day of russia"; still many people here refuse to celebrate it since it is associated with negative memories about fall of USSR and criminals coming to government. <!-- s:x --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt=":x" title="Mad" /><!-- s:x -->
Tue, 03 Jul 2007 13:41:19

The 4th Class

[quote="Necromancer":pf1sv08q]damn why do I keep accidentally double posting <!-- s:oops: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /><!-- s:oops: --> If you get an error message after you click the "send" button (like, PHP failed), then DON'T try sending the message again! Likewise, if your browser is frozen when you press the button, it's best to just go back to the thread to see if you posted it successfully, and if not, to try again. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> [quote="Crimson Wizard":pf1sv08q]still many people here refuse to celebrate it since it is associated with negative memories about fall of USSR and criminals coming to government. Well I am sorry to hear these frustrations. IYO, should the USSR reform or stay as it is now? (as a market economy, etc.). Interesting for me to hear the voice of a local.
Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:45:04

Crimson Wizard

[quote="The 4th Class":2n7iahmo]IYO, should the USSR reform or stay as it is now? (as a market economy, etc.). Interesting for me to hear the voice of a local. Firstly IMO ideas of union and socialism should be distinguished, since there are people who believe reuniting former Soviet republics will make people happier of being "together" once again, but still do not insist on returning to socialism. I mean, USSR in their eyes is rather a logical evolution of older Russian Empire, than socialistic regime. Secondly, if you wish to hear my personal opinion, I really think we should return to socialism, and even if I forget about moral ideals (which are separate question), there is still a serious reason for that. In fact, our country characteristics, climatic and geographical, do not allow it to prosper having free market economy at all. That's a historical problem, which was pointed already by a number of economists and politics here in Russia; if you investigate into our history you may see that every time country's economy became free from governments control, it began to weaken, since it couldn't make a good competition to western countries. And, naturally, there always were people who seized the opportunity to sell everything they could to other countries, and exploit the land in a devastating manner without a single thought of future generations.
Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:54:16

PePe QuiCoSE

uhm... hi, anyone remembers me? <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> anyway, i'm posting because i am bored as fuck at work (though i should be getting work done <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->) and to say hi again... nice to see things are exactly like last time i checked <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> on abortion, i think it's just like religion, politics and (duh) sex. You can't discuss about it without reaching dogmas or unmovable beliefs. Personally, i would always be against it if the girl got pregnant (even if she wants to get one). And i think that it should be legal but with restrictions. O mean, there should be a real good reason to go for an abortion instead of choosing to go through the pregnancy and then leaving the baby for adoption. IMO social/economic situations or unwanted pregnancy (aka rape) should be enough to get an abortion. Right now in Argentina it is prohibited unless and extraordinary exception (like 99% sure the pregnancy will eventually kill the mother) But as i said before, it's a matter of beliefs and i am not trying to convince anyone of anything... and yes, i am aware of the moral issue here.
Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:32:49

Crimson Wizard

PePe, your concept of abortion reasons are just exactly what I think, if we talk about laws. Still, there's a thought, pure philosophical may be, - for example, if a woman become pregnant of rape, does the child have a right to live anyway ?
Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:45:04

PePe QuiCoSE

same thing, it's a matter of beliefs. I am pro life and would say that the child should be able to live, but this is the ideal position of someone who hasn't been raped, won't suffered psychological trauma of it and add a pregnancy/child to that trauma. Not to mention that the father gets equal rights on the baby (afaik in most countries he does). So, real world says yes to abortion again (considering other social factors, like disease, poor mother's health aka addictions, etc.) and ideal world says no. If I am in charge and have to decide, i would put responsibility towards society over moral issues. (which had proved to derail into nasty consequences).
Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:04:44

The 4th Class

Getting back on topic... This October, alongside Ontario (the province I live in) provincial elections, there will be a referendum asking all Ontarians' opinions on whether we should remain voting under First-Past-The-Post voting system, or switch to Mixed Member Proportional Representation. This is a very exciting referendum indeed, less than 2 weeks after my birthday! ... And if (or, rather, ''once'') majority votes for MMP, I will be a very happy boy! <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D --> Will be a giant leap forward.
Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:09:29

baratus

what do you have against christians i find your title offinsive and abortion should be illegale(probably spelled it wrong)
Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:47:18

Valherran

Religion is the source of everything that is wrong with this planet. Right next door to Pollution. In fact they are the same IMO. <!-- s:evil: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_evil.gif" alt=":evil:" title="Evil or Very Mad" /><!-- s:evil: -->
Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:28:29

The 4th Class

Just for the record, I am also against abortion, but I'm also against forcing my views on others.
Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:21:43

baratus

that dosent mean all christians force retheir religon on people i dont ethier they believe it or they dont thats it
Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:09:07

VikingBoyBilly

[quote="Valherran":rqb6tq5s]Religion is the source of everything that is wrong with this planet. Right next door to Pollution. In fact they are the same IMO. <!-- s:evil: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_evil.gif" alt=":evil:" title="Evil or Very Mad" /><!-- s:evil: --> EXCUSE me?!!!!???!?!?? I happen to think very highly of religion thank you very much. <!-- s:x --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt=":x" title="Mad" /><!-- s:x -->
Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:58:11

Valherran

[quote="VikingBoyBilly":1gz6ld8m][quote="Valherran":1gz6ld8m]Religion is the source of everything that is wrong with this planet. Right next door to Pollution. In fact they are the same IMO. <!-- s:evil: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_evil.gif" alt=":evil:" title="Evil or Very Mad" /><!-- s:evil: --> EXCUSE me?!!!!???!?!?? I happen to think very highly of religion thank you very much. <!-- s:x --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt=":x" title="Mad" /><!-- s:x --> Thats fine, but i am still sticking to what i say because its true.
Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:09:28

VikingBoyBilly

[quote="Valherran":2sjhueb2][quote="VikingBoyBilly":2sjhueb2][quote="Valherran":2sjhueb2]Religion is the source of everything that is wrong with this planet. Right next door to Pollution. In fact they are the same IMO. <!-- s:evil: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_evil.gif" alt=":evil:" title="Evil or Very Mad" /><!-- s:evil: --> EXCUSE me?!!!!???!?!?? I happen to think very highly of religion thank you very much. <!-- s:x --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt=":x" title="Mad" /><!-- s:x --> Thats fine, but i am still sticking to what i say because its true. *farts on you* Argument over I win! Wasn't this topic about... something else... erm... Canada day or something similar?
Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:46:25

TheCount

[quote="baratus":8t05fdjs]that dosent mean all christians force retheir religon on people i dont ethier they believe it or they dont thats it I thought christians baptized their children...
Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:20:41

The 4th Class

<!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> The title of this topic doesn't refer to christianity, but to the Christian Right: the fundamentalists who have corrupted not only the original Bible, but also the political system of the day to control the masses and spread their homophobic, anti-contraceptive agenda.
Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:56:37

baratus

[color=#FF0000:3d8ox631][quote="TheCount":3d8ox631][quote="baratus":3d8ox631]that dosent mean all christians force retheir religon on people i dont ethier they believe it or they dont thats it I thought christians baptized their children... no catholics do i beleive its a choice to get baptised i am of no particular denomination of christianity i believe what the bible tells me and thats all[/color:3d8ox631]

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