You guys thought Jack Thompson was bad. Meet the NIMF a media watchdog group of dipshits who would be happy if all violent games were destroyed and even refers to the FPS genre as a whole as first person shooter killing machine games and talks a lot bout how they should be avoided at all costs. <!-- s:evil: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_evil.gif" alt=":evil:" title="Evil or Very Mad" /><!-- s:evil: --> <!-- s:evil: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_evil.gif" alt=":evil:" title="Evil or Very Mad" /><!-- s:evil: --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mediafamily.org/facts/facts_effect.shtml">http://www.mediafamily.org/facts/facts_effect.shtml</a><!-- m --> Look around the site and you will see that a lot of times they try to link violent games with aggressive behavior but no where will you find them say that the crime rate among youth in the U.S. has gone down over the past decade. obviously none of these people have ever played a video game <!-- s:^o --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/eusa_liar.gif" alt=":^o" title="Liar" /><!-- s:^o --> Speaking of Jack Thompson i'd thought i'd post this: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dal-0Z27_CM">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dal-0Z27_CM</a><!-- m -->

i would agree that that stuff is bull, i've played evil, violent games most of my life, theres nothing wrong with me (i think <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: -->) also, video = LOL!!!!!!!

That guy should be dispatched from this planet... <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: -->

I've been playing Doom since I was 6 and I've never gotten into any fight yet. In fact, I'm a bit of a wimp. <!-- s:oops: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /><!-- s:oops: -->

[quote="The 4th Class":16ucvukv]I've been playing Doom since I was 6 and I've never gotten into any fight yet. In fact, I'm a bit of a wimp. <!-- s:oops: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /><!-- s:oops: --> Aha, so we do have a negative result from playing violent games, no? <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->

I may be a physical wimp but I can sure kick your ass with nasty words if you say that again. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

I think those things are crap, I've always thought, as I said somewhere else, that people who can't distinguish a game reality from reality itself are brain damaged and they SHOULD get some help. As for associations against violent videogames, they are part of the life, there's all kind of associations like those, for violence on cartoons, for example, it's people who don't have anything better to do but to screw people who design, program and create videogames, it's sad, but true...

Hm, just noticed something:

Titles rated E (Everyone) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 6 and older.

I thought ESRB was coherent..

I think that if we are to take on NIMF we should aim for the head and go for the president and founder: Dr. David Walsh <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.mediafamily.org/about/biodavew.shtml">http://www.mediafamily.org/about/biodavew.shtml</a><!-- m --> He'll probably become the new JT eventually and thus will receive the same treatment from gamers. <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: --> <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: --> Edit:Firebrand and 4th class have you ever had problems with anti game legislation in Mexico or Canada <!-- s:?: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif" alt=":?:" title="Question" /><!-- s:?: -->

I've come across tons of legislation, none of which has affected me as a consumer, thank goodness. But nearly every time there's a violent outbreak, and investigators learn the suspect plays video games, they always pull the old-fashioned "video games caused this violence" propaganda. And the worst such groups of course are the Psychologists: pompous gits think they know everything about ppl. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> Even worse are the Sociologists, who fear that it's just a reflection of our bloody society, even though the national crime rate steadily declined over the past decade.

No...Rap music causes violance...Vidio games do not.

I've seen the same things that 4th comments, when a violent action happens in which young ppl is involved, they blame video games for their behavior, which is just stupid IMO. But I've never had problems when buying games or anything else.

In here, there's always someone that points out that the agressor dressed in black or shit like that. About a week ago a guy had to be sent to intensive care (or however you call internar in english) due to an addiction to online/LAN games. My parents did a few comments, including that they are uneasy with me playing Populous III. That would be a game that can be played online which came out in 1998.

The 4th Class wrote:I've been playing Doom since I was 6 (I dont know how to do the quote thing) Ha I can top that ive been playing DooM Heretic Hexen Duke Nukem and monolith's blood since 4 <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->

Likewise, im no different than i was before i started playing those games.

I did change though... I think I can score frags much faster than when I was 7 <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

*reads the badmouthing of first person shooters, about how they desensitize people to death and violence* *goes to Doomworld and looks at all the heartfelt responses in the thread about the doomer who commited suicide, with all the condolences to his family* Riiiiiight...

[quote="menelkir":1bcqujpa]*reads the badmouthing of first person shooters, about how they desensitize people to death and violence* *goes to Doomworld and looks at all the heartfelt responses in the thread about the doomer who commited suicide, with all the condolences to his family* Riiiiiight... wait...what!?

<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.antigamer.com/">http://www.antigamer.com/</a><!-- m --> Yet another anti game site run by what has to be the world's biggest asshat. This guy must be Jack Thompson's son. Feel free to help me fill up his site to max bandwidth capacity with hate mail <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: -->

Hmmm... frankly I think they got a point. At least I agree to everything written at their titlepage - "what is a gamer" etc.

Traitor... <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->

The MP3 is the fakest shit I've ever heard. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->

Even if you are right, it doen't matter much. I was personally acquianted with people that sometimes acted very close to that. In my opinion, gaming addiction is like any other addiction, some people are easily addicted, others not. That's why ones see this problem and others think there isn't; maybe they just never saw it?

IMO promoting violence in video games should be regarded the same way as promoting violence in other mass media like movies, television, press and literature (although the last one doesn't qualify for "mass" in these days of modern analpabetism).

[quote="Crimson Wizard":1umcbluv]gaming addiction is like any other addiction, some people are easily addicted, others not. That's why ones see this problem and others think there isn't; maybe they just never saw it? Of course the addiction exists, but it's bullshit to reserve the "gamer" term for the addicts. In order for it to be an addiction it has to be maladaptive. Let me put it this way: it doesn't matter how much/long you play: if you can allow yourself to stop playing for a long period of time, then there's no addiction. [quote="RambOrc":1umcbluv]IMO promoting violence in video games should be regarded the same way as promoting violence in other mass media like movies, television, press and literature (although the last one doesn't qualify for "mass" in these days of modern analpabetism). 1) What's analpabetism? <!-- s:-s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/eusa_eh.gif" alt=":-s" title="Eh?" /><!-- s:-s --> 2) No disagreements here, except that literature's kinda special in that no horrific graphic images are packaged to you, just a literal transcription for the reader to interpret on his own. Not to mention classical literature has an artistic merit to it so it's not just about the violence. 3) O yeah, and you shouldn't forget violence in music.

[quote="The 4th Class":13w8euav] 1) What's analpabetism? <!-- s:-s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/eusa_eh.gif" alt=":-s" title="Eh?" /><!-- s:-s --> And what is 'maladaptive'? <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> [quote="The 4th Class":13w8euav]3) O yeah, and you shouldn't forget violence in music. ...and in architecture... and in politics... and in economy... and in GUI design... and... oh my God, violence everywhere.

Actually, literature can be more brutal than many other forms if you are literate. <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> The violence and brutality I read in some novels is much scarier than anything I've ever seen in a computer game.

[quote="RambOrc":2g88lslz]The violence and brutality I read in some novels is much scarier than anything I've ever seen in a computer game. Ummm, which ones? <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->

Simon R. Green's Deathstalker and Karl Edward Wagner's Kane novels, for example.

Never heard of those... <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> What kind of novels are they? I mean drama, sci-fi, horror? Just curious.

Dark fantasy.

[quote="RambOrc":32pygj7e]IMO promoting violence in video games should be regarded the same way as promoting violence in other mass media like movies, television, press and literature (although the last one doesn't qualify for "mass" in these days of modern analpabetism). Try telling that to those anti gaming douchebags who are to cowardly to actually learn about videogames. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> [quote="RambOrc":32pygj7e]Actually, literature can be more brutal than many other forms if you are literate. <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> The violence and brutality I read in some novels is much scarier than anything I've ever seen in a computer game. Really, <!-- s:o --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif" alt=":o" title="Surprised" /><!-- s:o --> I'd never guess that in a million years, though I don't really read that much.

[quote="Crimson Wizard":3ix1ot9d][quote="The 4th Class":3ix1ot9d]3) O yeah, and you shouldn't forget violence in music. ...and in architecture... and in politics... and in economy... and in GUI design... and... oh my God, violence everywhere. [quote="Violence in music":3ix1ot9d]Dealing out the agony within charging hard and no one's gonna give in Living on your knees, conformity or dying on your feet for honesty Inbred, our bodies work as one bloody, but never cry submission Following our instinct not a trend go against the grain until the end Blood will follow blood Dying time is here Damage Incorporated Slamming through, don't fuck with razorback stepping out? You'll feel our hell on your back Blood follows blood and we make sure life ain't for you and we're the cure Honesty is my only excuse Try to rob us of it, but it's no use Steamroller action crushing all Victim is your name and you shall fall Blood will follow blood Dying time is here Damage Incorporated We chew and spit you out we laugh, you scream and shout All flee, with fear you run You'll know just where we come from Damage Incorporated GO! Damage jackals ripping right through you sight and smell of this, it gets me goin' Know just how to get just what we want tear it from your soul in nightly hunt Fuck it all and fucking no regrets Never happy endings on these dark sets All's fair for Damage Inc. you see step a little closer if you please Blood will follow blood Dying time is here Damage Incorporated BTW: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.emulationzone.org/articles/faq/gui.jpg">http://www.emulationzone.org/articles/faq/gui.jpg</a><!-- m --> The GUI from the older version had a sword instead of an arrow.

That's nothing. Feast your eyes on Cannibal Corpse's live staple, I Cum Blood:

Swollen with liquid Ready to burst A load of my lymph Will quench this dead body's thirst One month in the grave twisted and half decayed She turned a putrid yellow I pissed in her maggot filled asshole Fucking the rotting My semen is bleeding The smell of decay Seeps from her genital cavity The smell was unbearable As I unburied her I cum blood from my erection I feel it run down her throat, swallow Eyes glassy and vacant body dug up to play with Skin greasy and naked tounguing her rotted anus I need a live woman to fill with my fluid A delicate girl, to mutilate, fuck and kill her body exceptional she thought I was normal but I wanted more I came blood inside of her chocking on the clot gagging on the snot gushing blood, from her mouth bloody gel leaking out Body buried in a shallow grave Unmarked for none to find The sickness I have left behind Undetected go my crimes The greatest thrill of my life To slit my own cock with a knife Violent, climax Serging serum on my skin Back from the dead I am resurrected to spew, putrefaction

Then again it's impossible to take Cannibal Corpse seriously: their violence is so over-the-top that it's more satirical than anything else. P.S: Violence in economy? That's new for me. <!-- s:?: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif" alt=":?:" title="Question" /><!-- s:?: --> P.P.S: Ramborc care to share some of this scary lit violence you mention? <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->

LOL.. now that's an R song! Heh, I just remembered the title of a Misfits song, "Mommy, can I go out and kill?"