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Wed, 04 Oct 2006 08:15:30

Crimson Wizard

I was sent a link to one article by a friend of mine. Articles sais that some US citizen, who heard about "Russian troops in Georgia" thought it is US state Georgia. The Article also had a link to Yahoo message board: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=l&mid=&board=37138459&sid=37138459&tid=aprussiageorgia&start=1">http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?acti ... ia&start=1</a><!-- m --> I was rolling on floor.... <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->
Wed, 04 Oct 2006 13:21:24

The 4th Class

Are these guys serious? <!-- s:| --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_neutral.gif" alt=":|" title="Neutral" /><!-- s:| -->
Wed, 04 Oct 2006 16:16:42

TheCount

[quote="Someone on that thread":1g3uiazv]....GEORGIA NOW...WHO`S NEXT ? FLORIDA ?,...AND THEN WHO ??? THIS MUST STOP !!!! Ha? <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> Those are the (attempts of) people who try to care about their nation. They are also the kind of naive people that think they are Per?n, and can make a difference by shouting something if front of a bunch of other people <!-- s:x --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt=":x" title="Mad" /><!-- s:x -->
Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:51:00

RambOrc

shitdumb like hell <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->
Thu, 05 Oct 2006 08:06:56

Crimson Wizard

[quote="The 4th Class":jucf3zyu]Are these guys serious? <!-- s:| --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_neutral.gif" alt=":|" title="Neutral" /><!-- s:| --> Frightening, eh? <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> As a continuation of all the story, after mentioned article was published, that message board became spammed by dozens of russian (mostly) internet-users...
Re: WHY IS THE RUSSIAN ARMY IN ATLANTA? by: murcielan 10/04/06 02:57 am Msg: 546 of 1648 I am RUSSIAN soldier. We will go to Washington at last weak. LOL <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->) U.S. is very rich. We want to be rich too. You must take us very many money.
Help!! Russian soldiers near my house!! by: tom54rus 10/04/06 02:45 am Msg: 530 of 1648 MY GOD! I'VE JUST SEEN FEW RUSSIAN SOLDIERS NEAR MY COTTAGE, IN THE FOREST!!!! HELP!! P.S. THAT'S NOT ALL!!! A BEAR IS GOING WITH THEM AND PLAYING BALALAYKA!!!
Re: Help!! Russian soldiers near my hous by: deribin (31/M/Prague) 10/04/06 02:55 am Msg: 542 of 1648 You have few minutes for FAST run to the Canada border! <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->
Re: Help!! Russian soldiers near my hous by: tom54rus 10/04/06 03:00 am Msg: 549 of 1648 Canadian border??? Russians are so fast that they've allready captured Canada.
Help Me! by: polarus8 10/04/06 03:03 am Msg: 550 of 1648 Cartridges come to an end! Sergeant Ebunov from Atlanta
Re: Help Me! by: tom54rus 10/04/06 03:06 am Msg: 553 of 1648 Seargeant Ebunov! A nuke will arrive in a couple of hours. Colonel Ivanov from Moscow.
RUSSIAN SOLDIERS CAPTURED MY NEIGHBORS by: bzdashek 10/04/06 03:19 am Msg: 562 of 1649 I can hear screams!!I tried to call 911, but I think they cut my phone cable. Requesting for help!!!! And I think I saw Comrade Ebunov across the street. He was standing in the pile of cartridges waiting for the nuke from Moscow.
And between all this spam still may be found posts like this:
My buddies in Atlanta don't confirm the information that Russians are in Georgia. Everything goes the same way. All the offices keep working. Maybe they are somewhere else and haven't reached Atlanta yet. Anyway it's creepy! What are they doing here? Who sent them? WHERE IS OUR PRESIDENT? Why Georgia? So far only questions with no answers!!!
I am dying <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> I still cannot believe its true. Maybe I am dumb and they are just having fun this way? <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? -->
Thu, 05 Oct 2006 17:44:21

The 4th Class

Well, the number one thing Americans love is TV, and if it ain't on TV, they must be joking. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: -->
Thu, 05 Oct 2006 18:56:14

RambOrc

Although there is the frightening possibility these illiterate morons actually believe all this crap. After all, there are something like a 100 million mentally deranged US citizens (the ones who voted for Bush a second time, that was inexcusable).
Thu, 05 Oct 2006 21:00:24

The 4th Class

Yeah I didn't believe that either. As for the mentally disabled, I don't have anything against them, but some of them (and some "normal" people) really don't deserve the power the Internet provides.
Sat, 07 Oct 2006 03:16:20

ShoX

OMG Thats fucking priceless [img:tdvt9eqi]http://www.reasonstation.net/board/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif[/img:tdvt9eqi]
Sat, 07 Oct 2006 14:55:19

The 4th Class

Well Mr. Shox, based on your profile you should prove a warm buddy for me in the KH team! <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->
Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:44:22

Crimson Wizard

o yes <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->
Sat, 07 Oct 2006 19:14:03

PePe QuiCoSE

good, it was about time the russia won the cold war and beat the crap out of those yankees <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->
Sun, 08 Oct 2006 02:54:43

The 4th Class

Believe you me, if the USSR had won the cold war, the result would NOT have been pretty. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> PS: My post count number reminds me of Scheherazade. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->
Sun, 08 Oct 2006 10:15:19

Crimson Wizard

[quote="The 4th Class":28ixihhu]Believe you me, if the USSR had won the cold war, the result would NOT have been pretty. Do not even try to manipulate us <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: --> I won't believe this. hahaha.
Sun, 08 Oct 2006 12:28:37

RambOrc

I'm not sure the result would've been worse though...
Sun, 08 Oct 2006 13:46:31

The 4th Class

C'mon, corrupted as the money-oriented world is, capitalism and democracy as a whole are the strongest, most stable, and arguably most natural forms of government humans have ever invented (and that's coming from an avid technocrat). Capitalism was proven stronger than communism when it won the Cold War, and all the NATO countries emerged as the wealthiest and most technologically advanced, while the Warsaw countries are still feeling the economic effects of the collapse as we type. And frankly, the USSR was much worse than the USA, blatanly invading countries for more land, people disappearing at night for disagreeing with the government, Holodomor, blowing all their GNP on sending a man in space instead of feeding its nation, not to mention that the communist ideals as a whole are still far too fragile and idealistic for people to live under. Our system of government needs selfishness and hierarchy in order for the public to feel a sense of control and direction in larger scale issues.
Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:59:54

Crimson Wizard

[quote="The 4th Class":1e8i3gir]Capitalism was proven stronger than communism when it won the Cold War With the appropriate aid of frieks in USSR Goverment, whose lust for money made them traitors of their own nation. <!-- s:!: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_exclaim.gif" alt=":!:" title="Exclamation" /><!-- s:!: --> [quote="The 4th Class":1e8i3gir] and all the NATO countries emerged as the wealthiest and most technologically advanced, As they actually were far before 1917. Czar's Russia was less wealthy than Europian states and US, but USSR was coming up them with great rates. [quote="The 4th Class":1e8i3gir]And frankly, the USSR was much worse than the USA, blatanly invading countries for more land, ...ever heard about capitalistic colonization? As for USSR it stayed mostly in the borders of Russian Empire. [quote="The 4th Class":1e8i3gir] people disappearing at night for disagreeing with the government, Well, I cannot agree with term "dissapearing". In fact, soviet state security practiced arrests at nights, probably to cause psychological effect, but it does not mean people "dissapeared", since everyone around was aware of the event, including family and neighbours. (And the fact of such arrest didn't mean that the arrested one was innocent, by the way) [quote="The 4th Class":1e8i3gir]Holodomor ...in many respects organised by trozkists opposition and various governing criminals, raised to their places during revolution and civil war, that were justly executed lately for their deeds. [quote="The 4th Class":1e8i3gir] blowing all their GNP on sending a man in space instead of feeding its nation, ALONG with feeding the nation. I must agree, though, that there were many stupid and felonious actions made by USSR government these times, that caused negative consequences. What I wish to add is that USSR used its own resources all the times (including people resource), instead of robbing other countries as most capitalistic governments do all the time. [quote="The 4th Class":1e8i3gir]not to mention that the communist ideals as a whole are still far too fragile and idealistic for people to live under. As all humanistic ideals like Christianity, which usually have problems standing against animal insticts and egoistical seductions. <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: -->
Sun, 08 Oct 2006 19:28:40

PePe QuiCoSE

in my simple opinion, all systems work in theory. In practice works the one that are the most effective stopping corruption. And, maybe before (in the 90s) i would have agreed, but now i am not so sure that the world is better having the USA won the cold war.
Sun, 08 Oct 2006 20:38:20

The 4th Class

[size=75:3o68an66][CW] i am very very sorry, but seems I occasionally edited 4th class'es post instead of "quoting" it. <!-- s:oops: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /><!-- s:oops: --> i tried to restore it but not completely...[/size:3o68an66] Perhaps it would be better for the world if the Cold War never finished? I think the reason Capitalism is "stronger" than Communism is that while Communism requires 100% compliance of all people to have it work fairly and free of corruption, Capitalism doesn't even require 1% compliance because it encourages competition/exploitation amongst each other. [quote="Crimson Wizard":3o68an66]Well, I cannot agree with term "dissapearing". In fact, soviet state security practiced arrests at nights, probably to cause psychological effect, but it does not mean people "dissapeared", since everyone around was aware of the event, including family and neighbours. (And the fact of such arrest didn't mean that the arrested one was innocent, by the way) At any rate civilians in the USSR didn't have as strong freedom of speech as they do now.
Mon, 09 Oct 2006 04:46:16

Crimson Wizard

[quote="The 4th Class":2d0i6jhx]Perhaps it would be better for the world if the Cold War never finished? IMO it would be better if it never started <!-- s:!: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_exclaim.gif" alt=":!:" title="Exclamation" /><!-- s:!: --> [quote="The 4th Class":2d0i6jhx]I think the reason Capitalism is "stronger" than Communism is that while Communism requires 100% compliance of all people to have it work fairly and free of corruption, Capitalism doesn't even require 1% compliance because it encourages competition/exploitation amongst each other. Ofcourse, as living with honor and benefaction always require 100% agreement with moral rules while living in dishonor requires nothing <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: --> [quote="The 4th Class":2d0i6jhx]At any rate civilians in the USSR didn't have as strong freedom of speech as they do now. That's not an easy question, by the way. Nowadays you will rarely meet criticism against Putin for example on the pages of press and on TV channells, every word about situation in the country and who is really responsible for it is usually ignored, separate reports do not allow most of population build the overall picture. OTOH it needs to be underlined - we do not know for good yet all the details of life in USSR since soviet history was severely distorted in last decades. There are some historical and social researches that show sometimes that there were abilities for open political discussions even in Stalin's times. Also it is sad paradox, but in soviet times if critical sayings became succesfully spread in society, government usually did everything to improve the situation. Nowadays you may criticise freely everyone and everytime, but, shit, most often there's no result at all. <!-- s:x --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt=":x" title="Mad" /><!-- s:x --> Anyway, when I hear those sayings about "speech freedom", I remember one historical anecdote. It is said that once an american journalist asked soviet writer Konstantin Simonov: - In America we all have freedom of speech, I even may stand in front of the White House and shout out that our president is a fool. And what about Soviet Union? - Well, - said Simonov, - me too may stand on the Red Square and shout out that your president is a fool. - But can you shout that Stalin is a fool? - asked journalist ironically. - No, I cannot. - Admitted Simonov. - Because it is not true. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->
Mon, 09 Oct 2006 14:32:43

The 4th Class

[quote="Crimson Wizard":34mn68pb]we do not know for good yet all the details of life in USSR since soviet history was severely distorted in last decades. Distorted by the Soviets or by Western society? Not too sure what you mean. [quote="Crimson Wizard":34mn68pb]Also it is sad paradox, but in soviet times if critical sayings became succesfully spread in society, government usually did everything to improve the situation. ...by killing those who complain. <!-- s:mrgreen: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mrgreen.gif" alt=":mrgreen:" title="Mr. Green" /><!-- s:mrgreen: -->
Mon, 09 Oct 2006 16:18:54

Crimson Wizard

[quote="The 4th Class":2g1tx99d][quote="Crimson Wizard":2g1tx99d]we do not know for good yet all the details of life in USSR since soviet history was severely distorted in last decades. Distorted by the Soviets or by Western society? Not too sure what you mean. Mostly by first post-soviet historians & so-called "liberal intelligensia". What I mean is that when political system change rouphly, politically active people usually spill filth on previous regime's history. As for western, I have little awareness about how it describes USSR these days. All I know is that there are some really crazy authors who wrote really crazy books about Stalin & Co, that I sometimes find in "history" section of book stores, and these books cannot be read without homerical laugh. <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> ( Once I read about Ezhov (state security commisar, initiated famous 1937 processes) who went to prison to see how his friend is executed and cut ears from the dead body. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> ) [quote="The 4th Class":2g1tx99d][quote="Crimson Wizard":2g1tx99d]Also it is sad paradox, but in soviet times if critical sayings became succesfully spread in society, government usually did everything to improve the situation. ...by killing those who complain. <!-- s:mrgreen: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mrgreen.gif" alt=":mrgreen:" title="Mr. Green" /><!-- s:mrgreen: --> Not really <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> Seriously, this may be funny for us, but older people who lived in SU for a long time would take this as a great insult for sure.
Mon, 09 Oct 2006 17:26:26

RambOrc

Being one of the very few who actually did live on both sides of the Iron Curtain (not just visiting, but actually living there, studying, working etc), I have a much deeper than average insight into things. I've seen what each side tells about the other and I've seen what actually goes on on each side. Let's just say that both sides accused the other of about the same about of crimes and shit - and both sides have been right to about the same amount. There were things on both sides that were really bad, and there were things on both sides that were really good. But in the end, the prosperity of the average citizen in Western Europe and to some level in the US (which has and had all these last 50 years a lower standard of living than Western Europe) is the direct result of the communist threat. All during the Cold War, Western governments continually added benefits for their citizens so they won't be swayed by the promises of a socialistic regime that talked about sharing the wealth (which capitalism generally doesn't). Indeed, ever since the collapse of the communist block, there's been a general backpedaling on social benefits all over Western Europe and North America. The average citizen in our Western society now is less prosperous than 15 years ago. Regarding freedom of speech, in the US they do things differently... instead of trying to oppress it publicly, they instead let people say whatever they want - and poison the whole population instead so they become stupid and uncaring. By going through other sources than super-liar Fox News, you'll be able to find a lot of shit that goes into the food of US citizens that would be illegal in Europe for instance. Gentech, drugs, whatever you want... As for the communist block attacking other countries outright and the Western block not, in the last 50 years the communist countries invaded one independent country: Afghanistan. During this time, the US invaded, just to name a few: Vietnam, Serbia, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, Iraq, and and and... 4th no personal offence but you seem to think like the majority of people in Canada and in the UK. They seem to know subconsciously that they are but sidekicks of the US, always doing what the US does, behaving just as abominably as Americans do, but trying to cover it up with bluster about how much they hate the US and Americans in general. Especially Canada, which not only in international politics but in everything else imitates all the shit from the US, including insane pollution and wholesale destruction of nature, discriminating minorities, driving away the original inhabitants of the land (yes, 116 years after Wounded Knee the genocide on American Indians still continues every day, not just in the US but also in Canada and in Latin America), favoring the big industry and the rich over the poor, making a farce of justice etc etc...
Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:14:35

Crimson Wizard

[quote="RambOrc":2m5gwu8k]As for the communist block attacking other countries outright and the Western block not, in the last 50 years the communist countries invaded one independent country: Afghanistan. Strangely you didn't mention supressing Hungary & Czechoslovakia's rebellions, and initiating revolutions in several countries. [quote="RambOrc":2m5gwu8k]Regarding freedom of speech, in the US they do things differently... instead of trying to oppress it publicly, they instead let people say whatever they want - and poison the whole population instead so they become stupid and uncaring. That is an exact description of what is happening in Russia lately <!-- s:x --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif" alt=":x" title="Mad" /><!-- s:x -->
Mon, 09 Oct 2006 19:09:03

RambOrc

That's because we were talking about actual military invasion of an independent nation.
Mon, 09 Oct 2006 19:38:25

The 4th Class

[quote="RambOrc":gixig8xy]4th no personal offence but you seem to think like the majority of people in Canada and in the UK. They seem to know subconsciously that they are but sidekicks of the US, always doing what the US does, behaving just as abominably as Americans do, but trying to cover it up with bluster about how much they hate the US and Americans in general. Actually, if you ever took the time to visit Canada you'll find that's the single most untrue stereotype you could ever find. The truth is, Canadians as a collective have a culture that strives to be different from the American one, but in real life no rational Canadian would truly hate or blame the American people for the frustrations of their government. Nice try, though. I suggest next time you direct your anger to less opinionated and more factual issues. [quote="RambOrc":gixig8xy]Especially Canada, which not only in international politics but in everything else imitates all the shit from the US, including insane pollution and wholesale destruction of nature, Okay, to say we're damaging the environment because the Americans do it is just plain moronic. I know NA's lagging behind in natural progress, and yes there are lots of loops in Canadian politics and frankly this new government is trying its best to mimic the Bush administration, but don't forget that Canada has also been a world leader in cleaning up environment. Remember the Montreal Protocol in 1987? If it weren't for that, CFC's alone would either be banned much later or still emitted today. [quote="RambOrc":gixig8xy]discriminating minorities, <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> This happens everywhere around the world, and I'm sure we all know that in any First world nation it's hardly an issue as, say, in Pakistan, where a woman can still be arrested and perhaps killed by the police for adultery if she doesn't have 4 male witnesses to prove she was raped. Sorry RambOrc, but you picked this fight, you sound exactly like these so called "Bush Bashers" here and all over the world who seem to think all the world's problems were caused by the US, more specifically the Bush Administration, yet have no real sense of direction with a solution. Yes what the American government has done in Iraq is horrible, and yes America is the worst contributer to pollution, but merely boasting about how much you hate them hardly helps.
Tue, 10 Oct 2006 07:56:54

RambOrc

I suggest you read up on the topics you so blatantly discarded, you could learn a LOT about how much damage to the environment is done in Canada - dig down and you'll find hard facts. As for not supporting the US nazi genocide, there were only two countries who said NO to the Iraq invasion: France and Germany. I don't see Canada on this list.
Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:50:15

The 4th Class

And I suggest YOU stop bashing my country and realize that there is as far more good than bad going on here. And I've done the research, I've taken far more Canadian environment courses than you ever will find on Wikipedia. O yes, and Canada DID explicity say no to invading Iraq. Look up Jean Chretien + Iraq on Google. Wear glasses next time you read that list of yours.
Tue, 10 Oct 2006 14:40:12

menelkir

i love politics, it puts everyone in such a good mood. <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->
Tue, 10 Oct 2006 15:53:36

The 4th Class

Sorry, but RambOrc really touched a soft nerve in me. I can tolerate personal slanders and generalization (more like simplification) of problems in a society or misanthropy in general. But I won't tolerate the kind of denunciation of my national heritage RambOrc's done here, nor should anybody (This makes me think maybe I've been poking fun at Crimson Wizard's national heritage a bit too loosely recently ... sorry in advance if I upset you CW. But I wasn't really trying to be overtly serious like RambOrc was). In relativity, I've travelled quite a bit considering my age, and between Canadians, Americans, Czechs, Hungarians, Syrians, neo-Mayans, whatever origin they're from, once you look past their external cultural differences like languages and mores, we're all the same people. We all want to do what's best for us and each other. We just have different ways and thoughts of doing so which may conflict with somebody else's. Quite honestly, once all the global, national, and local variables are inputted and outputted, I'm truly proud to be a Canadian. <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->
Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:04:45

Crimson Wizard

[quote="The 4th Class":r3irdqbf]This makes me think maybe I've been poking fun at Crimson Wizard's national heritage a bit too loosely recently ... sorry in advance if I upset you CW. usually these make me laugh at westerns' ignorance <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> (traditional russian chovinismo in action <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: --> )
Tue, 10 Oct 2006 17:23:52

RambOrc

<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2003/03/27/cdnsoldiers030327.html">http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2003/03/27 ... 30327.html</a><!-- m --> <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://dianne.free.fr/index.php/canadian-troops-are-in-iraq">http://dianne.free.fr/index.php/canadia ... re-in-iraq</a><!-- m --> As for what you learned from school and media inside your own country about your own country, millions of Germans believed Hitler's propaganda machine when it said the Jews were trying to take over the world - just as millions of Americans believed when Fox News published "proof" of WMDs found in Iraq.
Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:05:10

Crimson Wizard

They sent 31 men to the war?? <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> I don't get it.
Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:42:50

The 4th Class

[quote="RambOrc":3udqbmps]As for what you learned from school and media inside your own country about your own country, millions of Germans believed Hitler's propaganda machine when it said the Jews were trying to take over the world - just as millions of Americans believed when Fox News published "proof" of WMDs found in Iraq. 1) I hope you're not implying that everyone who learns about their country's history inside their country only learns one-sided propoganda. Even you know that's hyped cynicism. 2) So a few Canadian soldiers turned out to be in Iraq, (be they volunteers for the US or representing the Canadian army.) That doesn't mean Canada is at war with Iraq. And I know that the Canadian governments recently have been really scandalous with the press, perhaps even careless sometimes with the budget, but again we don't kill judges or journalists for revealing this sort of stuff. And relax, it seems it was just a rescue mission, not an all-out-kill-and-rape-as-many-Iraqi-civilians-as-you-can invasion. So in the mean time, these are merely controversial conspiracies. 3) And again, I must add, how does this dehumanize the Canadian public? Or the American? I'll have you know that over the last few months, the current casuality list in Canada's mission in Afghanistan (which I support, despite the non-traditional peacekeeping approach used) is front page news throughout the country, and more and more of us are showing increased faith in our troops. (Maybe the situation is different in the US, where there's documented proof their soldiers tortured Iraqi citizen prisoners. I don't know, Tmc27, Cheapy, or Ichor, any comments? <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->) But especially in Ottawa, the capital city, several weeks ago there was glorious support for the troops as the president of Afghanistan came here. Almost everybody there wore red and white (there's even a "Red Friday" custom slowly starting) and everybody, whether or not they supported the Afghanistan mission we're in, was in round applause. In part it's because the Canadian military feels malnourished financially and perhaps morally by the government, because until Harper came into power most of our armed forces were involved in UN or general peacekeeping missions. I think he's developed stronger unity in our military at the price of more direct aggressive action.
Tue, 10 Oct 2006 19:49:08

RambOrc

Unbelievable... I give up. <!-- s:cry: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cry.gif" alt=":cry:" title="Crying or Very sad" /><!-- s:cry: --> You might want to get in touch with Michael Moore, what you just wrote here could be used in his next book that shows how the average Canadian is just like the average American despite all the denial. <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( --> Being proud of ANY armed forces is equal to saying YES to wholesale murder and genocide on those who can't defend themselves. I really expected better of you, but then again everybody is entitled to his/her own political opinion(s). Let's just not talk about politics ever again.
Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:11:18

The 4th Class

Ew, you believe Michael Moore? <!-- s:shock: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif" alt=":shock:" title="Shocked" /><!-- s:shock: --> Sorry, but between blindly following a one-sided right-wing privatized news corportation and blindly following a one-sided left-wing celebrity, they're one in the same - the only thing that's different is the wing of the political spectrum each is on. (And to even the personal attack, I expected better of you <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P -->) As for Canadians being the same as Americans...of course they're the same! We're all homo sapiens in the long run (though use of "sapiens" is a bit generous <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->), and we all have the same wants, needs, and faults. The myth that Canadians hate Americans and strive to be as non-American as possible is simply bullshit - the truth is, we're conscious of the strong Americanization influence on us, but our national touchstones keep us together and define us as a distinct society of our own. And besides, who says only Americans may enjoy coca-cola and burgers and fries, while Canadians may only enjoy maple syrup and poutine? <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> As for the military ... maybe it's a different perspective in Europe, where almost all the nations there have historically embarrassed themselves before (like Germany and the Nazis, Italy and the Mussolini regime, the British and French colonizing like mad and exploiting foreign resources). But with the Canadian army, well we've never symbolically and historically had that spectacular an army, constantly behind the US and the UK. And even then, most of our work is in international peacekeeping. We never really need to resort to our armed forces because we have the Americans to back us up, and in a sense that took away some of Canada's sense of self-defense capabilities. Yet, despite this discrepancy, we still manage to blossom into the vast, rich, multicultural nation we are. That's why Canadians are so proud of our military: we can emerge as one of the most prosperous democracies with relatively negligent bloodshed. We're like the fat bald guys behind the bartender who're ready to break any fights you ex-imperialist nations are about to begin. <!-- s:lol: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing" /><!-- s:lol: --> <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> And why never talk about politics again? I really enjoy these conflicting opinions, especially Ramborc you're rebuttal with bona-fide Canadian news sorces, so long as we're not making personal attacks and denunciations. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> And it's really fascinating to get to learn about some of your national heritages as well. It shows how different we are as a culture, yet identical as people.
Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:27:36

The 4th Class

P.S.: Here's some pro-environmental articles for you fresh from today. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> [url:1z7dh1o5]http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/10/10/harper-industry.html [url:1z7dh1o5]http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061009/tories_green_plan_061009/20061010?hub=Canada Though I will admit it's a disgrace we withdrew from the Kyoto protocol and I'm ashamed. Mainly because we simply couldn't meet its needs, and frankly the previous government who signed on it did it as more of a political publicity stunt than as true environmental action. But at least we're not wholly neglecting the issue and are trying again.
Tue, 10 Oct 2006 21:32:50

PePe QuiCoSE

i'm quite lazy and didn't read also those rants about politics, just skimmed through but:
So a few Canadian soldiers turned out to be in Iraq, (be they volunteers for the US or representing the Canadian army.) That doesn't mean Canada is at war with Iraq
That is not absolutely true. That means that Canada supports the USA doings in IRAK, which from the beginning were war.
Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:39:40

The 4th Class

? <!-- s:| --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_neutral.gif" alt=":|" title="Neutral" /><!-- s:| --> Sorry, but I'm afraid I didn't completely understand what you mean. And it actually is spelled "Iraq" in English. And whether or not individual Canadians support the American war in Iraq is their personal belief (personally I'm against it).
Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:02:45

Crimson Wizard

[quote="RambOrc":1rgk62xo]Being proud of ANY armed forces is equal to saying YES to wholesale murder and genocide on those who can't defend themselves. Probably we shouldn't be proud of those people who defended us... they killed too much agressors... poor nazi... poor napoleon's frenches... all the land is covered with blood and ashes.... we are all doomed... <!-- s[-o< --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/eusa_pray.gif" alt="[-o<" title="Pray" /><!-- s[-o< --> <!-- s:cry: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cry.gif" alt=":cry:" title="Crying or Very sad" /><!-- s:cry: --> ][quote="The 4th Class":1rgk62xo]That's why Canadians are so proud of our military: we can emerge as one of the most prosperous democracies with relatively negligent bloodshed. That sound too strange for me, I guess it is a reason to be proud of politcs rather than military. And, eh, godly prize for a country to stand aside from the centres of military conflicts. [quote="The 4th Class":1rgk62xo]We're like the fat bald guys behind the bartender who're ready to break any fights you ex-imperialist nations are about to begin. err... you mean kick asses of overdrunk hooligans and hide behind bartender (who wears stars&strips and owns big big gun) when the real turmoil starts? <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->
So a few Canadian soldiers turned out to be in Iraq, (be they volunteers for the US or representing the Canadian army.) That doesn't mean Canada is at war with Iraq
That is not absolutely true. That means that Canada supports the USA doings in IRAK, which from the beginning were war.
In my eyes this looks more like strictly formal "support".
Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:16:02

leilei

I'm in the USA and I really don't like the conservative bush-loving christians here either.
Wed, 11 Oct 2006 19:49:53

The 4th Class

Just be thankful he'll be gone by 2009 and the next worst thing you'll have to worry about is Condolenza Rice. <!-- s8-[ --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/eusa_shifty.gif" alt="8-[" title="Anxious" /><!-- s8-[ -->
Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:43:14

baratus

OH GOD!!!!!! ITS RED DAWN! RUNN FOR THE HILLS GET YOUR GUNS!
Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:43:34

Crimson Wizard

Man, no offense, but what makes you comment this year-old anecdote? <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->
Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:37:49

The 4th Class

Wow time flies. <!-- s:o --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif" alt=":o" title="Surprised" /><!-- s:o -->
Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:10:46

TheCount

Indeed it does
Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:12:16

baratus

what do you mean my signature or the red dawn thing if it was red dawn thing i was trying to be funny
Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:46:38

Crimson Wizard

<!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> Well, frankly for me it felt rather weird than funny.

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