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Original plans for the serpent riders trilogy

Sat, 08 Dec 2007 03:35:05

Necromancer

After the success raven had with the original Heretic they planned to create Heretic 2 where you would fight the 2nd serpent rider. I can presume that if Heretic 2 was successful they would create Heretic 3 where you would of course fight the third serpent rider <!-- s8) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt="8)" title="Cool" /><!-- s8) --> . All you all know this wasn't the case. Raven decided that Heretic 2 deviated so much from its predecessor that they renamed it Hexen <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> . After that they had you defeat Eidolon the third serpent rider in the sequel Hexen 2 <!-- s:P --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif" alt=":P" title="Razz" /><!-- s:P --> . After Hexen 2, Raven decided to return to the Heretic series with Heretic 2(reused from hexen's original title) Which detailed the events of the main character from heretic after defeating the first serpent rider <!-- s=D> --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/eusa_clap.gif" alt="=D>" title="Applause" /><!-- s=D> --> .
Sat, 08 Dec 2007 08:10:24

Valherran

Thanks for the history lesson.
Sat, 08 Dec 2007 18:00:37

The 4th Class

Yep, even if you look in the Hexen resource lumps, you'll find that the game itself was referred to as "Heretic 2." And as most of you already should know, Korax was supposed to be the serpent, and the heresiarch the rider. Hence, the heresiarch should have been the "serpent rider." I have no frickin clue why they decided to digress from the plot though. <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->
Sat, 08 Dec 2007 19:23:24

Necromancer

Yeah I remember reading a topic in the raven forums about how Raven made a mess of the serpent riders storyline especially in the way that D'sparil was the only one of the three who actually rode a serpent <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->. This is probably because members of the development team changed in between installments (Hexen 2 and Heretic 2 were done without John Romero <!-- s:( --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" title="Sad" /><!-- s:( --> ).
Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:12:24

baratus

i would love to see a total conversion of hexen into a 3d world with new levels before winnowig hall and after <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->
Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:41:26

Crimson Wizard

[quote="The 4th Class":1pz3q6fm] And as most of you already should know, Korax was supposed to be the serpent, and the heresiarch the rider. Hence, the heresiarch should have been the "serpent rider." Now, when it is mentioned... There's an important similarity between D'Sparil and Heresiarch - in the way how they die. A lightning zap and a skeleton falling apart.
Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:15:09

VikingBoyBilly

Heresiarch's scream lacks enthusiasm compared to D'sparil's, though. I guess that just means he's tough enough to fall without crying about it. And let's not forget the final screen at the end of Heretic... [quote="Necromancer":198d2hny]After the success raven had with the original Heretic they planned to create Heretic 2 where you would fight the 2nd serpent rider. I can presume that if Heretic 2 was successful they would create Heretic 3 where you would of course fight the third serpent rider <!-- s8) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif" alt="8)" title="Cool" /><!-- s8) --> . All you all know this wasn't the case. They still did that. It's just that they changed the game's name, and the designs of the intended final bosses. It doesn't deviate that much from what we expected otherwise. I mean, didn't we all expect Quake 2 to be about fighting Shub-Niggurath's evil sister and her cohort Quake Jr.? But the story turned out completely unrelated.
Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:49:45

RambOrc

Yep it's pretty obvious the Heresiarch was intended to be the second serpent rider. Funny thing is, he is actually a tougher boss than Korax, most of the difficulty Korax provides is comes from the environment and the extra monsters coming in all the time.
Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:25:50

The 4th Class

[quote="RambOrc":sfekek6h]Yep it's pretty obvious the Heresiarch was intended to be the second serpent rider. Funny thing is, he is actually a tougher boss than Korax, most of the difficulty Korax provides is comes from the environment and the extra monsters coming in all the time. Of course this doesn't apply anymore to KMod, where he now has like 40,000 HP. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: -->
Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:45:07

Crimson Wizard

[quote="The 4th Class":2mmui34g] Of course this doesn't apply anymore to KMod, where he now has like 40,000 HP. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> Quite a moderate turbine, eh
Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:16:19

RambOrc

It was more like 500'000 in 2.0
Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:17:34

TheCount

[quote="The 4th Class":n7xh6s5x]Of course this doesn't apply anymore to KMod, where he now has like 40,000 HP. <!-- s:wink: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=":wink:" title="Wink" /><!-- s:wink: --> Gone are the days of killing him with just the first weapon <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: -->
Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:07:51

VikingBoyBilly

[quote="RambOrc":377jlfvg]It was more like 500'000 in 2.0 Man, Add like, 20x more HP than that and he might almost be able to challenge some DBZ characters.
Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:02:16

Valherran

[quote="RambOrc":1z064x1a]It was more like 500'000 in 2.0 Imagine that base number, with mxed out HP and Damage Modifiers. <!-- s:twisted: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif" alt=":twisted:" title="Twisted Evil" /><!-- s:twisted: -->
Tue, 18 Dec 2007 03:33:51

The 4th Class

I for one have always wanted to see Korax with the exact same movement patterns as a regular monster. I think that would have made him a hell of a lot harder to beat, not just standing there and taking every hit like a fish in a barrel.
Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:03:48

RambOrc

He teleports around, something the Heresiarch should do and then he would be a true end game boss.

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