Since some of the options are somewhat long, here they come and in the poll options only an abbreviated version. 1) The second (SE) and third (TSP) parts of the trilogy aren't made for a lvl 1 character. Part 2 starts at e.g lvl 21 and part 3 at e.g. lvl 41. You can either roll a new character or import your character from the end of the previous part, regardless of what level he is. 2) A system similar to that of Diablo II: Once you finish the game, you can start all over again using the same character but now on a higher difficulty, meaning you will have just as hard a time as in the previous run, just with higher stakes (your weapons and spells are more powerful, but so are the monsters). The parts would be independent of each other, but you could start any part with a lvl 1 or with a higher char (when playing it again). 3) A combination of these two, like that the second part would be designed for a lvl 20+ and the third part for a lvl 40+, but if you wanted to make things more difficult you could roll a new char for every part. Or you could play part one as lvl 1, then import your char into part 2 and play on medium difficulty, then import your char into part 3 and play on hard difficulty, giving you about the same challenge as starting each part at lvl 1 on easy difficulty, but allowing you to keep your custom char. 4) Something different along these lines (please specify in detail). 5) Absolutely nothing of this stuff - you start any and all modules at lvl 1 and when you finish you are done, when you start a new game you have to roll a new character (the way it is in KMOD).

I voted for #1, mainly because it's the most straightforward and perhaps easiest to implement. Also perhaps the most logical, seeing as how we are following the adventures of one hero, who grows a little wiser, a little better every day. That said, if the player finishes all parts and wants to play again, we could then proceed to something similar to #2.

I´m for a mechanism similar to the baldur´s gate saga. nouff said

As for me, I usually prefer to give users as much possibilities as possible (heh <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> ), if not they are too difficult to implement. [quote="The 4th Class":3eb1hpmq]I voted for #1, mainly because it's the most straightforward and perhaps easiest to implement. Nah, #5 is easiest to implement, then goes #2, and #1 only after. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

[quote="Camper":38mjyyhc]I´m for a mechanism similar to the baldur´s gate saga. nouff said No, not enough said as I have never played that saga (only part of the demo of the first game). What mechanism is that?

It has common AD&D "mechanism", when you may both create a new character of high level or transfer one from previous game.

So it's basically option 1?

A combination of numbers 1 and 2 is what I think, it'll be nice to implement something like that, but we need to define a format for this stuff.

This reminds me: assuming we go for something like #1 (current consensus seems to be a mixture of #1 and #2 anyway)... when the player begins Scattered Evil on lvl 21, he will start the game with all the powers/spells that he would've gotten had he started with a lvl 1 char who progressed all the way up to 21, right? Or will he ONLY start with higher stats, and no weapons and spells (having to find them again later)? P.S.: It's really exciting now we are making a plan. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->

If you roll a new high-lvl char at the beginning of the second or third part, you'll get about as many spells/abilities as you'd have on average when playing the previous game, e.g. the mage would have like 20 spells, the warrior 5 different weapons each of a tier 2 or 3 quality etc.

[quote="The 4th Class":3n5xiz51] P.S.: It's really exciting now we are making a plan. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> Yeah, that is what worries me lately... <!-- s:roll: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif" alt=":roll:" title="Rolling Eyes" /><!-- s:roll: -->

Huh?

Sounds like CW feels this is too little too late? <!-- s:? --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif" alt=":?" title="Confused" /><!-- s:? --> But anyway, now I see that my vote can practically go to #3 anyway, seeing as how my proposal was #1, but with a #2 twist if you want to play again after you finish.

Which makes the vote pretty unanimous, good. I'll update the concept guide accordingly. This also means that we can actually work on part 2 of the trilogy (SE) first and do TCS at a later time if we want. We will just deliver an SE that starts at lvl 21 or so.

Which brings up the next poll...

Yeah, that's it, I would like to start making something for RPG. Maybe we should already create SVN repository for that and upload original Hexen progs there. How it can be done?

Feel free to implement any of the stuff that is already in the RPG concept document and most of what's in KMOD. One thing off the top of my head that's different in the RPG is that the EXP gained from killing a monster needs to be an integer for itself, and not a percentage of the monster HP as it is in KMOD. This so we can tune the EXP gained without changing monster hit points.

[quote="Crimson Wizard":35sdgze7]Yeah, that's it, I would like to start making something for RPG. Maybe we should already create SVN repository for that and upload original Hexen progs there. How it can be done? Create your own sandbox (local copy of files), then using TortoiseSVN right click over the main folder with all the files and check the options there, it's pretty easy <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->, if you have any problems with it, please post again, I'll be glad to help you out <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->.

Well, I know how to create repository on my machine, but how is the repository on sourceforge is made? Is it free of charge by the way?

Yes, SF.net services are all free, don't worry about space there <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->, if we manage to make something wrong, SF.net will contact us before doing anything <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->. I finally got the time to look at the TortoiseSVN options myself <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->, you need to right click on the main source folder (which has the client and server subfolders and all the stuff needed for compiling, etc.), then select the "TortoiseSVN" submenu, then another menu will popup, there's one option that says "Create repository here", if you click it, you'll get asked on the modules name, make sure you use something like "KoraxRPG" or similar, again, if you've got any trouble with it, just ask <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->.

As I said in previous post, I DO know how to create a repository on my own machine. But it is useless for other devs here, if I'm not mistaken. My question is - how should I create a repository on SF? Or should I wait with that and do coding on my local repository for the first time?

I'm really sorry CW <!-- s:oops: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif" alt=":oops:" title="Embarassed" /><!-- s:oops: --> , I was checking the SF repository and there's a KoraxRPG module already there, so the next step is that you check it out on your local machine and then just copy the updated source files to it and commit the changes <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->, it should work just fine.

Ok, I found it. KoraxRPG seems to be Vavoom progs, but say, what is it for? I mean, will it be used for all the RPG parts, or should it be something specific? Secondly, does it have just ANY modifications over original Vavoom progs, so I'll have to merge last vavoom version weith it, or it doesn't and I may simply write over? As for "Scattered Evil" folder it doesn't look like Vavoom at all...

Yep that's the old SE that was to be built in Doomsday 5 years ago. It is called KMOD 3 in the meantime. As for the Korax RPG on SF, that's from Moose, he should be able to tell what exactly is in there.

I don't really know if it had modifications, IIRC it had one of the damage skins implemented (the ettin IIRC), you could verify this by getting the KMod.wad file and extracting the ettin's damage skin and testing it, if you can't find anything else, I would go for overwriting it, Vavoom's progs have changed a lot from the version used there IMO.

Yeah, it seems so. All the logs there say something like "Initial import" or "Added last Vavoom changes". And the last changes were made 18 months ago. Ok, I am going to replace it fully. EDIT: Say goodbye to old KoraxRPG.. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) --> There were some additions by Firebrand - "Added Rain/Snow effects", and also by tache_man (Moose?) - who added some "Code::Blocks" workspace and project files (have no idea what's that). Anyway, they should be accessible since SVN stores them as older version (I hope <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) --> ). Besides Firebrand's changes were made to files, that are no longer exist in current Vavoom progs version.

Nice work then <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->, those snow/rain effects aren't much of a problem to re-implement, so there's nothing to regret there, heh! <!-- s;) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif" alt=";)" title="Wink" /><!-- s;) -->